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More than two years remain until the next presidential election in the US, but we all know that this is hardly a deterrent to early and endless election campaigns, even in the absence of official nominations. The media are hungry for sensations, and they are digging for them even where they do not exist.

She is hardly an emerging new politician as our monthly topic stipulates, but Hillary Clinton sure is emerging. Again. And naturally, she cannot hide from all the questions about her plans for candidacy. She was being asked the same questions two years ago while she was Secretary of State. Now the hysteria has increased even more. In her latest book Hard Choices, she focuses on the time when she was part of the government, and now the book has triggered this hysteria about her possible candidacy, speculations floating all around about her entry into the battle for presidency.

Her supporters insist that she should take a decision soon, some are even organising donation campaigns for her already. Because they have no doubt that she would run, and eventually become America's first female president - something which other developed (and curiously, even some not as developed) countries already consider completely normal.

But so far this has been a campaign for president without candidates. Many names are being speculatively tossed into the fray, and while everyone is waiting for Mrs Clinton to make up her mind, no other Democrat ventures into making serious hints about running. Which has caused some criticism that she is blocking the whole process. But in a recent ABC News interview she just said all other candidates are completely free to do as they please. She said she would only take a decision "when she feels she is ready". At least she promised that this won't be later than the end of the year.

But few in her party believe Clinton would withdraw. The polls indicate that 69% of the Democrats and their base want her to run at the primaries.

Of course, the timing of her book is perfectly chosen. It is a way to get some initial feeling of the moods of the voters. Even the Republicans admit that Clinton would be a formidable opponent. The GOP is already scrambling to preemptively tarnish her image, using the well established and long trained dirty tactics that we have seen during election campaigns, looking for scandalous facts from her past, thinking of new talking points to fling at her like monkey poop. The RNC has said there are many unknown things about Clinton, and "everything possible should be done to make people know that she has another side, and that this book is not just about the hard decisions but about the bad ones as well".

The former First Lady is of course enormously popular. The time spent outside active politics has worked in her favour, since she has remained away from all the political bickering. Although her ratings have dropped a little since she left the government last year. But make no mistake, her critics are biding their time, and are even more determined than six years ago, because now her chances to win are looking stronger than ever. Some of the attacks against her, especially those about her health and the question whether she hadn't suffered brain damage after a concussion in 2012, will only be getting worse.

In truth, the Stop Hillary PAC says, she is part of the "liberal Clinton machine". So you've got three words that instill fear and hatred in the hearts of conservative voters: Liberal + Clinton + Machine. You know, the "lamestream media machine", "liberal propaganda machine", etc. The Republicans will go to tremendous lengths to demonstrate how Hillary is a continuation of the dreaded destroyer of the nation, Barack Obama, a continuation of his hated liberal policies that are dismantling freedom and the American way both at home and abroad.

Meanwhile, in the eyes of her supporters, she may have a lot of reasons to run: from the fact that she could become the first female president of the US, to the chance of implementing her own vision of America's global leadership. But the ugly attacks will also influence her decision. When you ask a Democratic supporter whether they want her to run, they would likely say yes. But as human beings who care for her, some would probably have second thoughts. She has not announced her candicacy yet, and we already are seeing the attacks on her. And those will only be getting worse with time. Sure, she is a very thick-skinned, tough lady. But how much of all that could one possibly bear?

For now the former First Lady continues with her "soft" campaign, speaking at modest gatherings across the country, giving interviews about her book, and stubbornly avoiding questions about her candidacy. But she will certainly be getting ever more visible at the national scene as the primaries approach. The challenge for her is to maintain all the suspense until the moment when she finally decides to announce her decision.

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Date: 14/6/14 16:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Barring something actually coming out of the Benghazi investigations at some point, I don't see her as anything but president in two years. Disappointing, but that Clinton name is resilient.

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Date: 14/6/14 16:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Damn. I was ready to bet money on you being the first one to go all Benghazi.

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Date: 14/6/14 23:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The truth is the truth, no matter how much it needs to be obfuscated along the way.

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Date: 14/6/14 17:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Really?

She was unlikable in 2008, I haven't seen anything since then would make her more likable. She's prickly. I think any GOP candidate could take the Obama playbook on her and basically run the table. Plus, you have a career at State which is now proving to have been singularly inept.

Barring any major changes in the country and depending on the quality of the GOP nominee (always an open and vexing question!), I think she's a loser. But, I thought Obama was a loser, so what does that say about my Nostradamus skills?

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Date: 14/6/14 20:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
The caveat is you need to actually run someone against her that's different enough (aka not an establishment politician) so that the attacks actually work. :V

Let's not forget that she's a woman. First woman President? That has some serious traction.
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Date: 14/6/14 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
The only reason she didn't win in 2008 is because Mark Penn didn't understand the primary delegate process. She has a competent person in place there and we're wondering if Senator Obama is finally going to throw his hat in the ring instead.

Really, Hillary's record is the only thing that makes her truly unlikable from the general population, and they've already shown that inexperienced, underqualified types are people they'll vote for, so I've lost hope in this cycle if Clinton's in it.

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Date: 15/6/14 02:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Benghazi. Its over for that op. We wont be routing any more arms into Syria which end up in the hands of Al-Qaeda factions. Weep for America's lost "rat lines".

Shillary voted for the Iraq war. Send her to live in Mosul. There, I said it.

Sad part is the freaks that red team are going to plop up next to her will undoubtedly give me no other choice.

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Date: 14/6/14 16:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com


Nate Silver said during an interview with Katie Couric that Hillary Clinton is the "strongest non-incumbent," "If you look at polls, you know, 60 to 70 percent of Democrats say they prefer Hillary to be the nominee. There's no kind of non-incumbent in history with those types of numbers." "She's has decide at some point or it's going to disadvantage other Democrats who would want to run."

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Date: 15/6/14 08:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Was nate silver even on that stage? I couldn't concentrate.

Seriously, those are pretty strong numbers.

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Date: 14/6/14 16:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
BUT... WHADDABOUT BENGHAZI?!?

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Date: 14/6/14 16:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
If she can dodge sniper bullets (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/25/hillary-clinton/video-shows-tarmac-welcome-no-snipers/) then she can weather off the imminent shit assault, I'm sure. ;-)

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Date: 14/6/14 18:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The last time Hillary was seen as the inevitable Democratic nominee, the world got eight years of the Obama Administration. This time, who knows? Hillary took a sure thing and bungled it once, so what's to say it wouldn't happen again? Elizabeth Warren would be a stronger candidate, not that the Dems are particularly good at campaigning.

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Date: 14/6/14 18:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
not that the Dems are particularly good at campaigning

Of course (http://mprcenter.org/blog/2013/01/how-obama-won-the-social-media-battle-in-the-2012-presidential-campaign/) they (http://www.journalism.org/2012/08/15/how-presidential-candidates-use-web-and-social-media/) aren't (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-29/the-science-behind-those-obama-campaign-e-mails).

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Date: 15/6/14 02:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
"Elizabeth Warren would be a stronger candidate"

Please please please please please please.

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Date: 14/6/14 18:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Gonna be fun to have someone more centist than Obama for another 4-8 years...

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Date: 14/6/14 18:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Can't wait for all those Hillary memes. That one with the cellphone was cool.

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Date: 15/6/14 08:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
That is the part I don't look forward too. There is a freaking industry dedicated for hating on that woman for mostly bad reasons. I don't really see eye to eye with her, but I do pity the heat she has taken.

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Date: 15/6/14 16:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Hint, she's an old woman.

That's where a lot of your memes are going to come from.

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Date: 15/6/14 16:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
So what's going on anyways it's been a while?

Last time I heard Bergdahl is the new Benghazi.

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Date: 15/6/14 19:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
The most obvious candidate?

Image

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Date: 15/6/14 20:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Hey, I have an even better idea.

Image

Now wouldn't THAT be fun!

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Date: 16/6/14 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
The only thing that can stop Hilary Clinton becoming president is... Elizabeth Warren.

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Date: 16/6/14 06:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
Not my first choice, but I'm practically a yellow dog Democrat in practice now... :/

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