[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
AKA "The Fix"

So in the lead up to the shutdown President Obama was telling his critics that the ACA was “settled” and “here to stay”. But in a effort to stave off growing backlash, and the threat of house Democrats siding with Republicans on the Keep Your Health Plan Act, the President is announcing that he will delay enforcement of the act's policy requirements and employer mandate until after the 2014 election cycle. (May 2015)

So in a seriously surreal moment Tea-partiers and the GOP establishment find themselves nodding in a agreement with Howard Dean...




So does the president have the authority to "fix" a problematic law? The short answer is no, he doesn't. If the President doesn't even get a line-item veto. He certainly doesn't get to rewrite or amend a statute without sending it back to congress.

Now I understand the desire to do "whatever it takes" to salvage the President's signature achievement but it sets a dangerous precedent. Would Obama, and his party as whole, be similarly supportive of a hypothetical pro-life president's attempts to unilaterally "fix" abortion law, or a libertarian president "fixing" the federal tax code? Personally I suspect that the vast majority of Democrats would be up in arms, and that calls for impeachment would on the speaker's desk before lunch.

And yet here we are...

Personally I find these developments deeply troubling.

I've been told that I put too much stock in "dead white slave-holders", but I still believe that the chief thing that stands between the US and a neo-soviet or fascist style police state is not the fact that we get to elect a new set of Ivy-League overlords every 4-8 years but the fact that there are, in theory at least, rules and standards that even our Ivy-League overlords must adhere to. "a government," as John Adams used to say "of laws not of men".

Only time will tell what sort of effect Obama's presidency will have on "rule of law" but unless there is some serious push-back and soon I don't see it being a good one.

I would hope that those who criticized Bush for his "Imperial Presidency" would see this as well.

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Date: 18/11/13 01:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I meant the house. The bill I linked up two comments.

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Date: 18/11/13 01:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheezyfish.livejournal.com
If the Senate didn't pass a bill, then how is it a law?

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Date: 18/11/13 01:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
It doesn't seem to be yet. It looks like it became 2668 which senate has read twice, and is on the calendar. Interesting.

But it does mean that so far, nobody is contesting the idea, so it stands. It still could happen though.
Edited Date: 18/11/13 01:28 (UTC)

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Date: 18/11/13 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Right, that bill didn't pass the Senate and wasn't signed into law.

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Date: 18/11/13 01:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
It looks like it has not yet, it's still on the table. They didn't vote it down.

What that means is right now, nobody is opposed to the idea, so they're going with it. If the senate voted it down, it would probably have some sort of implication with whether the IRS could delay auditing the businesses or not.

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Date: 18/11/13 01:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
It looks like it has not yet, it's still on the table. They didn't vote it down.

It's been sent back to committee. That's legislative death.

What that means is right now, nobody is opposed to the idea, so they're going with it. If the senate voted it down, it would probably have some sort of implication with whether the IRS could delay auditing the businesses or not.

It's not even up for a vote, and Reid is unlikely to bring it to the table for a vote period, especially with the president acting via executive fiat on the matter.

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Date: 18/11/13 01:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
So then it seems nobody is opposed.

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Date: 18/11/13 01:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I suppose if procedure and separation of powers don't matter, sure.

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Date: 18/11/13 02:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
If nobody is opposed separation of powers isn't an issue. If congress said no don't and the president said lol eff off, then it might be.

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Date: 18/11/13 02:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
"Democrats aren't opposed enough to take the bill to the floor" is not the same as "nobody is opposed," of course. And if the House sought impeachment over it, and the Senate shot it down on a party line, it doesn't really invalidate the concern either. I don't see that as a probability, but the point remains.

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Date: 18/11/13 05:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Do you think republicans are opposed to delaying penalties on businesses?

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Date: 18/11/13 12:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I think Republicans are opposed to the president doing whatever the heck he wants for things he needs Congressional approval for.

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Date: 18/11/13 22:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Do you think republicans are opposed to delaying penalties on businesses?

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