[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
People who have lived their entire lives in a slavish existence have no experience of what it means to live freely. If someone were to tell them that what they call freedom is actually quite unfree, they might respond with strong emotions. Their reaction could be so severe that they kill or injure the individual who delivers the message. They might go so far as to claim religious persecution and have the messenger brought up on charges of crimes against humanity. In a previous time and place, the messenger would be strapped to a pole atop a pile of flaming fuel or tacked to an artificial tree.

If you ask a chattel slave about slavery, he might speak of brutal punishment and loss of friends and family. If you ask a wage slave about slavery, he might speak of meager compensation and cutthroat competition. If you ask a chattel slave owner about slavery, he might speak of the innate inferiority of the laboring race. If you ask a wage slave employer about slavery, he might speak of the fear of labor organizers and the need for out-sourcing. None of this gets to the essence of slavery because it considers only surface phenomena.

Plato described the essence of slavery as an artificial system of deception. The chattel slave is deceived into fearing punishment. The chattel slave owner is deceived into controlling people. The wage slave is deceived into practicing cutthroat competition. The wage slave employer is deceived into sending his work to a more despotic domain. All of them are stuck in an artificial trap of slavish existence. Where Aristotle debits slavishness to human nature, Plato firmly places the blame on social structures that condition people to think and act in a narrow way.

What does this have to do with politics today? There is no slavery here and now. The problems of coerced and forced labor have all been solved by the miracles of modern science. Do you really believe that or do you see some room for improvement? A recent Time magazine article on labor conditions in India do not agree with that assessment. India is a hotbed of American and European outsourcing.

Links: Plato's famous cave analogy. Nilanjana Bhowmick on labor conditions in India.

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Date: 22/10/13 00:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
Not agreeing nor disagreeing with your stance. Just wanted to let you know it's 'bated', not 'baited'. Think 'abated': to hold in abeyance.

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Date: 22/10/13 02:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I always think of someone whose breath smells like rotten pilchards when I read baited breath.

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Date: 22/10/13 03:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
Well, of course, it depends on what they're waiting for.

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Date: 22/10/13 06:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Wow, gee, thanks. I figured I should've said that in my first tongue instead.

Ek hou my asem uitblaas.

This time, a flawless expression! Yay!

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Date: 22/10/13 07:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I think you deserve credit for being so fluent in a language that isn't your own, but do you not like knowing when you're getting things wrong? It's OK if you do, it's not something I can empathise with only being monolingual, but I know when I try learning things I like people pointing out that I'm doing things wrong. I think Nova's way of telling you was pretty non-offensive.

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Date: 22/10/13 07:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
That's why no offense was taken. When you see a rabbit saying 'Oink', that must mean the response is tongue in cheek.

Thanks for the credit!

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Date: 22/10/13 08:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Yeah I thought so. I also thought it wasn't my place to butt in as well, but I did anyway :P

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Date: 22/10/13 14:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
This is a public forum. You can butt in anywhere you want.

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Date: 22/10/13 14:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novapsyche.livejournal.com
Like [livejournal.com profile] anfalicious said, at least you have more than one tongue! I envy you.

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Date: 22/10/13 14:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
In my defense, English is only my third one. :)

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Date: 22/10/13 16:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Actually it's one of the easiest languages. Its grammar is practically non-existent.

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