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Democratic Underground, 2002 -- In the eyes of many modern conservatives, the battle between Republicans and Democrats is a battle between the Godly and the Satanic. To call this mindset a rejection of civility is to seriously underestimate the danger it poses. It's a rejection not merely of civility, but of the assumptions about tolerance and equal access that drive our political process….
Modern right-wing rhetoric becomes much less irrational if it's seen as the last gasp of the right's pretense of commitment to political freedom. Rather than self-destructing or imploding, it's quite possible that many conservatives are on the verge of moving from the covert to the overt rejection of this ideal. (emphasis added)
The first opinion piece aside from discussion forum OPs that I ever posted to the Internet was an essay carried by the then-brand-new website, Democratic Underground back in 2002. My piece was about American liberals and moderates hopefully opining (and let me emphasize -- this was eleven years ago.) that the right was “imploding.” As I observed back then, “This often takes place after some spectacularly insane statement from the right, like a Bush administration spokesman claiming that toxic sludge is good for the environment or a right-wing pundit suggesting that we invade France… Many liberals mistakenly believe that the right wing has an emotional investment in the logic of its own claims and, as a result, is due any day now to simply die of embarrassment.”
And that, I think, has been the core of the problem – a naïve refusal by many in politics and the media to focus on the serious agenda underlying all that ridiculous right-wing rhetoric. For three decades these extremists have been dismissed as irrelevant by moderate liberals and tolerated as “useful” by moderate conservatives. Now they have amassed enough influence to set into motion their dream of what amounts to a political monopoly. Voter suppression and gerrymandering are there to short-circuit the power of demographically liberal voters, and the very ability of a presidential administration to implement a law it has passed has come under attack. Merely enacting important legislation with which the right disagrees is presented as an outrageous act, even an impeachable offense.
And yes, the fact that our president is an African American does give a boost to this attack on political diversity. One of the oldest tricks in the racist book is portraying acts considered normal when done by a white man as criminal when done by a black man. The Republican Party, always willing to exploit racism, is happy to use that assumption as leverage.
I don’t know where this will end. Salon has a piece up saying the Republicans are just likely to get even more right wing. How much further can the GOP go to the right without openly declaring themselves the party of racism and religious dominionism and embracing violence as a tactic?
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Modern right-wing rhetoric becomes much less irrational if it's seen as the last gasp of the right's pretense of commitment to political freedom. Rather than self-destructing or imploding, it's quite possible that many conservatives are on the verge of moving from the covert to the overt rejection of this ideal. (emphasis added)
The first opinion piece aside from discussion forum OPs that I ever posted to the Internet was an essay carried by the then-brand-new website, Democratic Underground back in 2002. My piece was about American liberals and moderates hopefully opining (and let me emphasize -- this was eleven years ago.) that the right was “imploding.” As I observed back then, “This often takes place after some spectacularly insane statement from the right, like a Bush administration spokesman claiming that toxic sludge is good for the environment or a right-wing pundit suggesting that we invade France… Many liberals mistakenly believe that the right wing has an emotional investment in the logic of its own claims and, as a result, is due any day now to simply die of embarrassment.”
And that, I think, has been the core of the problem – a naïve refusal by many in politics and the media to focus on the serious agenda underlying all that ridiculous right-wing rhetoric. For three decades these extremists have been dismissed as irrelevant by moderate liberals and tolerated as “useful” by moderate conservatives. Now they have amassed enough influence to set into motion their dream of what amounts to a political monopoly. Voter suppression and gerrymandering are there to short-circuit the power of demographically liberal voters, and the very ability of a presidential administration to implement a law it has passed has come under attack. Merely enacting important legislation with which the right disagrees is presented as an outrageous act, even an impeachable offense.
And yes, the fact that our president is an African American does give a boost to this attack on political diversity. One of the oldest tricks in the racist book is portraying acts considered normal when done by a white man as criminal when done by a black man. The Republican Party, always willing to exploit racism, is happy to use that assumption as leverage.
I don’t know where this will end. Salon has a piece up saying the Republicans are just likely to get even more right wing. How much further can the GOP go to the right without openly declaring themselves the party of racism and religious dominionism and embracing violence as a tactic?
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Date: 10/10/13 20:18 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 11/10/13 15:37 (UTC)My family knew beltway insiders on both sides of the political aisle, and they were all, Republican and Democrat, infuriatingly complacent about the GOP's embrace of the RR. The DC Democrats dismissed the religious right as a bunch of stupid hicks (which it definitely was not) and the DC Republicans insisted that Falwell/Robertson, etc. didn't really mean anything, that they were a bunch of stupid hicks who they, the Republicans, were merely using. One Republican relative of mine stuck to this even after the debacle of the 1992 Republican convention, where the GOP platform was practically written by Pat Robertson. "The platform doesn't mean anything," he insisted.
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Date: 11/10/13 18:18 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 10/10/13 20:35 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 10/10/13 20:53 (UTC)I know that for the true disciples (like certain unnamed mouth-frothers on LJ and on Twitter) nothing the GOP can do is too extreme, and anyone who dares to inject common sense is branded as a traitor to the true ideology. But what about the general public, the voters? I know the primary voters are generally more ideological, but I can't believe that the majority are willing to stay on the ride that far. And in the general elections, there has got to be a point where people step back and say: "Whoa. This is NOT my Republican Party."
I hope that's how it is. Do you think it might be, or are we doomed to just see things get more and more insane? Or is it like a pendulum?
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Date: 10/10/13 21:20 (UTC)There was actually something great posted at The Monkey Cage about this earlier this week: All 50 states are shifting rightward ideologically (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/10/09/the-conservative-shift-in-public-opinion-has-happened-in-all-50-states/). This meshes well with the Gallup poll so many people love to hate, but this one actually looks at individual positions on the issues, and the findings add up.
On the contrary: the GOP is not going to "isolate themselves into obsolescence." They're going to end up being the party that represents more voters overall, and it's the left that will keep screaming about racism and extremism, missing the entire boat about where this country is actually headed.
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Date: 10/10/13 21:28 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 11/10/13 04:27 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 11/10/13 19:55 (UTC)Their book focuses on the back and forth generational shifts create. Just as the G.I. and Silent generations were more democratic, expect the Millennials and their successors (now being born, not yet named) to shift things back from a more civic-minded political orientation. Given the added influence of late of the incredibly conservative (or at least corporatist) mainstream media, the backswing has been delayed; but it seems inevitable.
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Date: 11/10/13 15:47 (UTC)THE DANGER ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNUUH!
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Date: 11/10/13 19:56 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 12/10/13 14:55 (UTC)Uh, no, the "danger zone" exists long before you reach outright genocide.
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Date: 11/10/13 15:50 (UTC)Nothing lasts forever. I wouldn't say our political life is like a pendulum, though, because that implies an equal shift to the left, and that's never been how politics in this country worked. After the Red Scare era, there was no equal, opposite reaction where right-wingers found themselves being publicly grilled on their political beliefs and facing jail, unemployment, and ruin if they gave the wrong answers and refused to turn in fellow right wingers.
What's scary to me is that the people behind this crazyiness have not been so crazy that they don't realize their views are unpopular, and they've taken steps to ensure that many voters can't actually do anything about it. Their vision of the political process does not seem to include allowing anyone who disagrees with them to take part in it. The implications of that are worrisome.
Making predictions is always risky, but it looks to me like we're seeing the death of the Republican party as we once knew it. Maybe it will break into two. Who knows? I just hope if it happens, it does as little damage as possible to us.
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Date: 10/10/13 21:24 (UTC)Here's the problem: the agenda is quite clear. Unfortunately, far too many liberal pundits and partisans, in concert with the media, have decided to label the conservative opposition as racist, as sexist, as unrepresentative and behind the times, which allows them to ignore how mainstream and reasonable the points of view often are. It then gets to the point where opposition to Barack Obama is not based in policy from previously-disengaged voters angry about a health care bill and a stimulus package, but simply from racism - the always-easy go-to for decades. If Hillary Clinton had won, the "Republican War on Women" would have merely been shifted to 2009 as opposed to 2012 with the same results - why bother engaging in discussion about "the serious agenda" when we know our go-to constituencies will lap up ignorant claims of racism like a pig at the trough?
How much further can the GOP go to the right without openly declaring themselves the party of racism and religious dominionism and embracing violence as a tactic?
There's a ways left to go in order to move rightward. The NSA issues of the summer have awoken the libertarian streak that the Tea Party movement stirred up. But, of course, libertarianism is just about getting rich white males in power, right? I'm sure that messaging will continue to work, allowing those opposed to ignore "the serious agenda" once more.
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Date: 10/10/13 21:34 (UTC)Of course, I am as anti-incumbent as they come; throw out the lot of 'em!
However, jeff you have to admit the gaffs coming from the right are fair game for the mean ol' media, and not just made up stories. Both sides say stupid things be some say more stupid things than others.
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Date: 10/10/13 21:36 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 11/10/13 15:56 (UTC)The Republican Party back in the '60s decided to use racism as leverage. It wasn't "liberal pundits and partisans" and "the media" who convinced most black voters that the GOP was doing this. It was the GOP.
bdj: as sexist,
Likewise, it wasn't "liberal pundits and partisans" and "the media" who convinced us women that the Republicans didn't care about us. It was the GOP and it's anti-abortion, anti-feminism, and lately even, anti-women's health stance.
bdj: as unrepresentative
Voter suppression.
bdj: and behind the times
Anti-gay rights.
bdj: which allows them to ignore how mainstream and reasonable the points of view often are.
Can you offer some examples of those "mainstream and reasonable points of view?"
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Date: 10/10/13 21:32 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 12/10/13 15:29 (UTC)(i just made a football reference and i think it's fitting, hoorah for sports knowledge? ...no, not really)
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Date: 12/10/13 04:47 (UTC)You're basing your model of what conservatives think on articles from Salon and Democrat Underground. Not National Review or The Wall Street Journal's editorial page.
That explains a lot.
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Date: 12/10/13 15:11 (UTC)Always a sign you're about to blatantly misconstrue something.
s: You're basing your model of what conservatives think on articles from Salon and Democrat Underground. Not National Review or The Wall Street Journal's editorial page.
No. I've posted to Democratic Underground, and referenced a Salon article, but that doesn't mean I base my model of what conservatives think on Democratic Underground and Salon. As you may have noticed, in that DU piece, and in this piece here, I've directly quoteed conservatives.
If, sandwichwarrior, you'd like to have a discussion about 21st century conservatism in which I draw directly from the National Review and the Wall Street Journal editorial page, I'd be absolutely DELIGHTED.
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