You had one f-ing job.....

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Uh, red team, wtf? You've allowed these tea party freaks drive to the car into a ditch. That's the plan?

“We’re very excited,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). “It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

Well, yay for hurting people IRL?

TIM MURPHY: Well, the short answer is about 20 percent of the federal government, 800,000 federal workers, will show up to work today and be sent home, and that includes 400,000 civilian workers from the Department of the Defense. That’s the department that probably gets the most cuts from this. The longer answer is, you know, pretty much various things that you use in your everyday life will no longer be open to you. People applying for mortgages will have trouble getting that from the federal government. People trying to fill out their taxes will no longer be able to call the IRS to ask basic questions. The Coast Guard is cutting back some of its navigation assistance. Auto—new automobile inspections will be curtailed. The EPA is closing 94 percent of its responsibilities for the foreseeable future. You know, there’s kind of this perception that the shutdown mostly just affects Washington, D.C., and it really does affect Washington, D.C., but it goes much broader than that.

Yay, shut down the EPA, bring back acid rain!!!. NRC has slashed planned nuke plant inspections! NOAA is slashing. EPA is really fucked. NASA Voyager, fucked. Mars Rover is fucked Kids being kicked out of cancer treatments:

"At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said."

Awwww hell yeah! Who needs to regulate pesticides, amirite? No more monitoring beef for ecoli, meat eaters. The CDC wont be able to monitor outbreaks or even create a proper flu vaccine - you could have millions of deaths on your hands. Way to stick it to those sciences, red team! Yee haw for hee haw! Gun sale permits are also going to be hampered, opps!!!! Families of American soldiers slain in Afghanistan will be denied death benefits. You shut down the panda cam too dammit:

the deal with the shutdown is it essentially gets worse the longer it goes on. And in 1995 and 1996 it went on for 28 days and ended up costing the U.S., I think, about $2 billion in economic losses, just because people don’t have money and they’re not spending it. So you have the 800,000 workers who will be furloughed, and they’ll be furloughed without pay. And when the shutdown eventually ends, they’ll get that pay. But in the meantime, you know, they’re trying to make ends meet. The government did pass an emergency measure to continue paying members of the armed services last night, so they’ll still work and they’ll still get their pay. But families whose, you know, loved ones die in Afghanistan will not get death benefits in that period. You know, civilian contractors will not, by and large, be showing up to work. The EPA will shut down almost all of its services. The National Zoo will close. Even the panda cam that lets you watch, you know, the pandas on a live stream 24 hours a day will shut down. NASA, I think, is furloughing about 97 percent of its staff. You know, people who depend on the federal government for funding for WIC food assistance will not get that. It’s up to their state whether they’ll get that going forward. Some states have obligations to do that; some states could probably care less. Heating assistance as the weather gets colder is something that is now up in the air. You know, there’s just kind of this wide range of government programs. Head Start, which is a program that has already been kind of really hammered by the sequestration cuts over the last seven months, is going to get further cuts over the next couple of weeks if the shutdown persists, as grants are now put on hold. So, you know, whether you have kids, whether you’re a college student relying on federal student loans or Pell Grants, whether you’re a senior citizen, whether you’re living in a cold region without heat, this shutdown will affect you.

All these self inflicted wounds because they hate a bill that was passed by congress, signed by a president who basically was elected on the issue, and ruled constitutional by the Supreme court. The bastard child of the Heritage foundation, RomneyObamacare aka the Affordable Care Act. Gawd forbid birth control be covered.



This woman is far more eloquent than I could be on the issue, so here:

I have a pre-existing condition and I stand to lower my premium, my deductible, and my prescription costs. I promise to return the money I save to the economy quite promptly, I'm good at that part. Just lower your gun and stop hurting people. Pretty please?

To quote Lincoln: "What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum."

Comments

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Obama didn't shut down the government, it wasn't even his job to handle the budget. It was congress's job! Blame Obama simply does not work here.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

He has said he would veto small bills that would do things like open the parks. The president isn't a bystander here.

And it is comedy gold watching so many of you in complete denial of what the democrats are doing.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Why can't the Republicans just pass a spending bill? Why is it insisting on keeping the shutdown active?

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

Why won't the democrats vote for the bill that would open the parks?

a) Unlike the airlines, they won't miss using the parks for a while
b) they want misery, to blame on the republicans
c) all of the above

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

WHO PUT US IN THIS SITUATION?

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

First off, yes, it is the Presidents job to construct a budget. Like literally, the first step in the process is the President constructs a budget to be approved by congress. Obama has failed to get his budgets passed 4 out of 5 times, and that is even with having congress fully being controlled by Democrats,. He is the only President ever to fail to do so two years in a row (he hasn't done it since 09). This is we are talking about CR's now.

Secondly, why is Obama allowed to inflict pain and suffering on the American people because Republicans won't budge when Republicans aren't allowed to inflict pain and suffering on the American people because Obama won't budge?

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Are you suggesting that we just get rid of Congress so the President can pass a budget without interference because I'm starting to like the idea. Our congress is a piece of shit right now because the Republicans in it won't budge and are actively blaming their not-budginess back at the President.

It's becoming very clear that the way to get our economy going again is to vote out all the Republicans. That way we can actually get things done. Because as we all know Republicans don't do anything, they just point fingers at other people.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

Are you suggesting that we just get rid of Congress so the President can pass a budget without interference because I'm starting to like the idea.

NO

Our congress is a piece of shit right now because the Republicans...

I think its about time you step off your high horse when it comes to the blame game. I'm not sure how you can place blame on the shoulders of Republicans when Obama couldn't even get a budget passed when both chambers of congress were controlled by Democrats? I mean, if he couldn't get his own party to pass his budgets, why is it the fault of Republicans that Obama can't do it with it the other party?

It's becoming very clear that the way to get our economy going again is to vote out all the Republicans. That way we can actually get things done. Because as we all know Republicans don't do anything, they just point fingers at other people.

This is a very poorly thought out statement.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

The Republicans wanted the shutdown, they got the shutdown so of course I'm going to blame them!

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

and so the shutdown is happening.

Now that we're in it, who is it that won't easily re-open the parks?

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

WHO PUT US IN IT

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

The parks could easily be re-opened. But the democrats are saying no to that. They tried the same tactics with the sequester, furloughing airline employees which lead to long delays at the airports. But members of Congress use the airports, and in fairly short order the airlines were magically running again.

Here, we don't even need magic. We just need some democrats to stop using people as stooge-pawns and vote to reopen the parks, and NIH funding (kids on cancer... well that's not that important to them, as if it ever were).

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

WHO SHUT US DOWN?

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

"Look at who started it!" is no excuse. The parks could easily be re-opened. Pretending that that is the republicans fault when they are the only ones willing to re-open them without any conditions is quite childish.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Pretending that is isn't the Republicans fault when they are the ones that allowed the shut down in the first place is amazingly obtuse. They could pass the budget at any time so everything can re-open, but they'd rather play games.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

A major difference is the Democrats don't have to pass anything they don't want, they can just vote to re-open the parks. But they prefer the pain that they think will get republicans blamed. So ordinary people are getting screwed on their vacations just so Democrats can score points with people such as yourself.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Meanwhile the other team is using our government programs as a meat shield, blaming the other side if they get hurt and their fanboys are buying it as usual.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

If that were actually true, the democrats could put it to a swift end by passing a bill that funds a few things that everyone agrees with.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

And who do you blame for voting no for a stopgap bill to pay for kids and their cancer treatments?

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

The house for refusing to avoid this situation in the first place

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

I would think that that trying to pass a bill to fund the cancer treatments would count as actively trying to avoid the situation, no?

On another note, you blame Republicans for the shutdown, which is fine. I do too. But, how can you say its a'okay to make it hurt as much as possible to make Republicans look bad for it? If you're mad about how the shutdown hurts people in the first place, how can you possibly justify denying people cancer treatments, denying disability for disabled vets, etc, just to make a point and strengthen your hand politically? How is that not the height of hypocrisy? Why do you think you have any room to talk?

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Seriously? I think shutting down the government is what's making the Republicans look bad right now. They're making their own bed to lay in.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

And I think Democrats blocking funding for the NIH and VA is making them look bad. But I suppose intentionally hurting Americans and using them as political tools instead of treating them like people is only bad if the other "team" does it. Am I right?

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

1. Obstinate Republicans in the Senate HAVE held up the budget process, even in 2010. Please familiarize yourself with the rules on how a budget can both be passed, and also how it can take effect. Along those lines, please explain where 57 out of a total of 100 equals more than 60%.

2. The failure to pass a budget (caused, in part, by obstinate Republicans) has been addressed through the use of continuing resolutions. The primary drawback of these resolutions, a lack of limits on discretionary spending, has been addressed by the Budget Control Act, so for the time being, resolutions are a good temporary fix. Thus, a failure to pass the budget is not what has led to the shutdown; a failure to pass the continuing resolutions (a temporary measure to address issues with Senate parliamentary procedure) is. That failure has been directly caused by (and admitted to be intentional by) certain House Republicans.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure we are on the same page, because this clearly is not a response to anything I typed. The bills I'm speaking about are not budget bills. A bill to fund the VA, DC, and the NPS was voted on last Tuesday. There was no demanded concessions, it was just a bill to restore funding to those three areas. In the shadow of an Obama veto threat, Dems voted against it and it didn't passed. Why do you suppose they did that?