You had one f-ing job.....

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Uh, red team, wtf? You've allowed these tea party freaks drive to the car into a ditch. That's the plan?

“We’re very excited,” said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). “It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

Well, yay for hurting people IRL?

TIM MURPHY: Well, the short answer is about 20 percent of the federal government, 800,000 federal workers, will show up to work today and be sent home, and that includes 400,000 civilian workers from the Department of the Defense. That’s the department that probably gets the most cuts from this. The longer answer is, you know, pretty much various things that you use in your everyday life will no longer be open to you. People applying for mortgages will have trouble getting that from the federal government. People trying to fill out their taxes will no longer be able to call the IRS to ask basic questions. The Coast Guard is cutting back some of its navigation assistance. Auto—new automobile inspections will be curtailed. The EPA is closing 94 percent of its responsibilities for the foreseeable future. You know, there’s kind of this perception that the shutdown mostly just affects Washington, D.C., and it really does affect Washington, D.C., but it goes much broader than that.

Yay, shut down the EPA, bring back acid rain!!!. NRC has slashed planned nuke plant inspections! NOAA is slashing. EPA is really fucked. NASA Voyager, fucked. Mars Rover is fucked Kids being kicked out of cancer treatments:

"At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said."

Awwww hell yeah! Who needs to regulate pesticides, amirite? No more monitoring beef for ecoli, meat eaters. The CDC wont be able to monitor outbreaks or even create a proper flu vaccine - you could have millions of deaths on your hands. Way to stick it to those sciences, red team! Yee haw for hee haw! Gun sale permits are also going to be hampered, opps!!!! Families of American soldiers slain in Afghanistan will be denied death benefits. You shut down the panda cam too dammit:

the deal with the shutdown is it essentially gets worse the longer it goes on. And in 1995 and 1996 it went on for 28 days and ended up costing the U.S., I think, about $2 billion in economic losses, just because people don’t have money and they’re not spending it. So you have the 800,000 workers who will be furloughed, and they’ll be furloughed without pay. And when the shutdown eventually ends, they’ll get that pay. But in the meantime, you know, they’re trying to make ends meet. The government did pass an emergency measure to continue paying members of the armed services last night, so they’ll still work and they’ll still get their pay. But families whose, you know, loved ones die in Afghanistan will not get death benefits in that period. You know, civilian contractors will not, by and large, be showing up to work. The EPA will shut down almost all of its services. The National Zoo will close. Even the panda cam that lets you watch, you know, the pandas on a live stream 24 hours a day will shut down. NASA, I think, is furloughing about 97 percent of its staff. You know, people who depend on the federal government for funding for WIC food assistance will not get that. It’s up to their state whether they’ll get that going forward. Some states have obligations to do that; some states could probably care less. Heating assistance as the weather gets colder is something that is now up in the air. You know, there’s just kind of this wide range of government programs. Head Start, which is a program that has already been kind of really hammered by the sequestration cuts over the last seven months, is going to get further cuts over the next couple of weeks if the shutdown persists, as grants are now put on hold. So, you know, whether you have kids, whether you’re a college student relying on federal student loans or Pell Grants, whether you’re a senior citizen, whether you’re living in a cold region without heat, this shutdown will affect you.

All these self inflicted wounds because they hate a bill that was passed by congress, signed by a president who basically was elected on the issue, and ruled constitutional by the Supreme court. The bastard child of the Heritage foundation, RomneyObamacare aka the Affordable Care Act. Gawd forbid birth control be covered.



This woman is far more eloquent than I could be on the issue, so here:

I have a pre-existing condition and I stand to lower my premium, my deductible, and my prescription costs. I promise to return the money I save to the economy quite promptly, I'm good at that part. Just lower your gun and stop hurting people. Pretty please?

To quote Lincoln: "What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum."

Comments

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

Telling people what they think after they've twice said otherwise. Rude, offensive, Paft

But since you do actually think it's a good analogy, how do you explain the democrats not letting the republicans release some of the hostages?

[paft.livejournal.com]

nmg: how do you explain the democrats not letting the republicans release some of the hostages?

Possibly because they don't want to make this tactic succeed as a precedent to be invoked whenever the Tea Party contingent throws a tantrum over a law they don't like.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

Obama knows that if he budges on this, lets say for instance he allows a one year extension of the ACA, that a year from know the SAME people who are driving the country to its knees will simply do it again, and again, and again. They simply do not care about functioning government and only dedicate themselves to the altar of the extreme right.

I'm well aware of this. I would argue, contrary to the unfounded assumptions of my opinions elsewhere, that Obama shouldn't budge on the ACA, and I think Republican's, for the most part, know that he won't. Having said that, I think the House leadership is hoping to get something out of it, not related to the ACA, but to the debt limit coming up. This thing won't end until that fight comes up in a couple weeks, and Republicans will take concessions on that in exchange for a clean CR or at least, that is what they hope.

Personally I'm aghast with the whole thing. But I believe the Obama's got it right this time. The Republicans are gonna take the fall for this, and during next year's midterms they're gonna get their asses kicked for pulling this stunt.

I'm fully disgusted with the whole thing myself, however Obama lost me when he decided to do an all or nothing CR. I don't see funding parts of government as bending. I see blocking it as inflicting damage, just like Republicans are, to create political pressure to get the Republicans to fold. Now, I guess I should say that this isn't excusing Republicans for there shitheadedness or somehow saying they share equal blame, but I think Obama and Dems lost the moral high ground that they had earlier before they decided that route. Now I just see a bunch of grown adults throwing insults at each other. I'm not very impressed or happy with much anyone running our government.

I also think Obama would have been able to achieve his goal, a clean CR unattached to changes in the ACA, while simultaneously trying to get Republicans to limit the pain the shutdown inflicts. Instead we have Republicans doing that, and Democrats blocking it and for obvious reasons. Fighting fire with fire I suppose, I just don't like that it is the American people getting burnt.

Republicans cleans house and gets rid of these psychopaths

If anything, this might strengthen reelection hopes for those "psychopaths" and mostly hurt the moderate Republicans in the House, or it may not have much of an affect at all, depending on the outcome of the shutdown which I think, ultimately, will be concessions in the debt limit debate.

[paft.livejournal.com]

cf: Is this an accurate portrayal of what is happening?

No. It is not.

I suspect that like most of the rest of the country, the Democrats absolutely do not want this tactic of the Republicans to succeed in any way because they don't want it to be used every time the Tea Party crowd sees a law passed that they don't like.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

First off, you didn't say anything contrary to what I said, so saying "No, it is not." is a bit confusing. Anyways...

So, Democrats are refusing to pay for cancer treatment because... they don't want these Republican tactics to work. How is that different than

Democrats: "We need to veto the shit outta that, because we wanna be able to blame them for it so we can pressure them to get a full CR through and discourage future attempts like this"

Are you confused? You didn't explain how it was wrong at all. You basically typed the same thing with a small part missing. WTF?

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

If you think that those refusing to cave into malicious and dishonestly framed demands which are structured in such a way as to completely undermine the future functioning of our system of government should they be submitted to are somehow more morally wrong than those who created the situation and are making these unreasonable demands in the first place, then there's nothing more that I can say to you other than: "You are completely, objectively, wrong."

And so long as you continue to refuse to address those at the source of this mess, I will continue to see you as nothing more than a water-carrier for those people, no matter how much (for whatever odd reason) you protest otherwise.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

If you think that those refusing to cave into malicious and dishonestly framed demands which are structured in such a way as to completely undermine the future functioning of our system of government should they be submitted to are somehow more morally wrong than those who created the situation and are making these unreasonable demands in the first place, then there's nothing more that I can say to you other than

At this point, you arguing with a fictional person. I haven't made any of those arguments. I'll repeat...

The only position I have taken here is that it is a bit of bullshit to say you are concerned about certain things and then say Dems are right to vote funding for those things down.

And so long as you continue to refuse to address those at the source of this mess, I will continue to see you as nothing more than a water-carrier for those people, no matter how much (for whatever odd reason) you protest otherwise.

K, bye bye. At least you spared me some stupid analogy this last time around.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

Fucking welcome to the club.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

It's like you're a cloud in the wind. And the republicans are a storm. And the democrats are sunshine. But when the plants start to dry up, the democrats are then a gentle shower providing needed relief that republicans want to keep for themselves and the Koch brothers.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

This is where its better to step away. We know better.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

Are you seeing why your analogy is stupid yet?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

If you don't agree with my point of view, I'm shutting down all of livejournal.

Now, I may leave up some of your posts, if you are willing to agree with some of my point of view.

Sound reasonable?

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

LOL... you scared of the F word? I'm not angry. I just find your comment woefully hypocritical to the point of it being hysterical. The F word is funny STFU BRO, F YA

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

I'm fully disgusted with the whole thing myself, however Obama lost me when he decided to do an all or nothing CR. I don't see funding parts of government as bending. I see blocking it as inflicting damage, just like Republicans are, to create political pressure to get the Republicans to fold. Now, I guess I should say that this isn't excusing Republicans for there shitheadedness or somehow saying they share equal blame, but I think Obama and Dems lost the moral high ground that they had earlier before they decided that route. Now I just see a bunch of grown adults throwing insults at each other. I'm not very impressed or happy with much anyone running our government.

So, you would have preferred he repeal the ACA to fund the parts of the government the tea party wants?

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

Oh look, an analogy!

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

... best analogy yet. At least this one made me laugh.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

While, I'm not scared of reading or writing fuck, I don't wish another tiff with you, and that historically is what follows your cussing.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

I would argue, contrary to the unfounded assumptions of my opinions elsewhere, that Obama shouldn't budge on the ACA,

I mean... it was the first thing I typed?

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

I've cussed plenty in these threads, thanks.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

And while its perhaps hypocritical, its true. You did not respond to what I wrote.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

What would you prefer Obama have done? Dismantle the ACA and then passed the parts of the budget the tea party would agree upon?

2nd time I've asked this.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

That is exactly what he did and yet he "lost you".

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I responded to much of it elsewhere, and your comment had nothing to do with my comment you were responding to (as confusing as that is). You should view my unrelated response as a weak, and hard to understand, attempt at humor.

[cheezyfish.livejournal.com]

What is it that the Republicans wanted in return for passing a spending bill that would fund the VA, NIH, and the NPS?

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Defund Obamacare, and the debt ceiling would include a delay of the health care law.

Okay, forgive me if in these 250+ comments I lost the train here. My bad. Please state optimally what it is that you would like Obama / blue team to do here. Because I am confused because I hear you saying he should have budged and then he shouldn't. Please enlighten me.