[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Dear Progressives,

Turn-about being fair play, I figured that I'd write a mirrior of Bean's post But where to start?


A couple months back Johnathan Korman wrote an excellent post on the poles of american politics. In it was the following line ...the correct social order is natural but not effortless — without devotion to the correct social order, conservatives believe we devolve into barbarism.

Do you genuinely believe that if you'd been transported back to fifteenth-century London as a baby, you'd realize all on your own that witch-burning was wrong, slavery was wrong, that every sentient being ought to be in your circle of concern? If so I'd like to know why,because as far as I can tell Homo Sapiens today are no more mentally capable than the Homo Sapiens of 500 years ago. I assert that our current high quality of life has more to do with culture and technology than it does with any inherent superiority to those who came before us. The fact of the matter is that we live in a civil society where, for the most part, people raise their kids to obey the law, pay their taxes, and generally not kill each-other without a damn good reason. It is this state of civility that conservatives seek to conserve.

The majority of these conservation efforts focus on individual and family responsibilities/virtue. They operate on the theory that if you want innovation you need to reward innovation. If you want virtue reward virtue. If you want stable kids reward stable families, because barbarity is never more than a generation or two away. If you want good social order we must reward virtue and punish vice.

It is in this space that intent runs head-long into perceived intent, and I start to turn into my grandad...

Using anfalicious' recent example, I am simply flabbergasted that a "post-gendered society" is even a topic of discussion outside of science fiction. Feminism has moved from arguing that women should be treated equal and have the same rights as men, etc... To that that men and women should be interchangeable. I am expected ignore the fact that the burden of reproduction is carried disproportionately by the female of the species. I am expected to ignore the differences in biology. To ignore the different strengths and weaknesses of both and how they compliment each other. I am expected to be genderless. I am not therefore I am a misogynist.

Global warming is based on computer models that keep failing. Catastrophic predictions are constantly proven wrong and (surprise, surprise) the only solution ever proposed is higher taxes and greater regulatory powers. I suspect that a dog is being wagged therefore I am a "denier".

I don't want to live in a world of "Honor Killings" and medieval torture and I refuse to coddle or kow-tow to those that do therefore I am a Islamiphobe.

I oppose gun control therefore I want children to die.

I support voter ID laws therefore I am a Racist.

Fascist.

Terrorist.

Killer.

I could go on...

These are labels that have been applied to me by my so-called intellectual and moral "betters" in an effort to shut me up.

I am a dinosaur. Hear me roar.

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Date: 9/9/13 07:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Making personal decisions based on what you believe to be true is a far cry from politicians forcing everyone to follow their decisions based on what they claim to believe to be true.

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Date: 9/9/13 15:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
I keep hearing general accusations on our government without anything to back it up. Things like building wind turbines and promoting cleaner emission vehicles and industries isn't just over greenhouse effect it's an effort to curb our over reliance on fossil fuels, particularly oil.
Edited Date: 9/9/13 15:06 (UTC)

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Date: 11/9/13 09:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
"over-reliance" is a keyword that indicates a belief. And again, forcing it on people is a lot different from people having the option and choosing it. Are you going to claim that government doesn't make laws that require people to adhere to them? Because that's the only back up I need for the claim I made.

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Date: 11/9/13 19:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Before we start talking about talking, yes of course the government makes laws that we have to adhere to, emissions standards are one of them but I don't see how something like that would be so oppressive.

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Date: 16/9/13 03:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Wrong kind of law to use for an example. A better example would be ones that mandated separate things for whites and blacks.

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Date: 18/9/13 08:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
http://www.crmvet.org/info/seglaws.htm

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Date: 9/9/13 15:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
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Date: 10/9/13 18:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Ok this is just confusing me now, environmental programs are causing who to starve and who to freeze to death? I'm seeing a lot of failing about making conspiracy theory claims without much backup.

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Date: 11/9/13 09:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I wish. I'd love to get paid for my opinion every time it happened to coincide with someone else's.

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Date: 10/9/13 19:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Which is why I'm sure you oppose outlawing abortion and mandating Christian values, right? I mean if that's not politicians forcing everyone to accept their hypocrisy....

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Date: 11/9/13 09:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I'm still ignoring you.

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