[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
From The Texas Tribune:

DPS director Steve McCraw indicated he was frustrated about media reporting on the incident, and in a July 14 email he asked DPS officers to give the media photos of the suspected items.

“I’m tired of reading that we made this stuff up,” Steven McCraw wrote in an email. “Let’s get the photos we have to members and the media. Does anyone realistically believe we would fabricate evidence to support a political agenda. Amazing.”


Imagine. There are folks who think institutions are capable of posting misleading items in their press releases.

Why, that's just crazy talk!



Some of you may remember an item I posted a month ago about claims that eighteen (yes, count 'em, eighteen!) jars of suspected feces had been confiscated from pro-choice demonstratoes at the Texas State Capital building. My point was profound skepticism -- I've heard stories like this about the presumed propensity of liberal/leftist demonstrators to toss poo, pee, etc. during their demonstrations, but very little evidence of shit-throwing actually happening.

So now the Texas Department of Public Safety has released 144 pages of documents about the purported 18 jars of crap at the demonstration and -- surprise, surprise! -- it includes no actual photos of these items, and no official reports. There also seems to be a dearth of DPS officers willing to say they'd actually come across these objects.

So they got bupkes to back up that inflammatory and disgusting allegation they made shortly after being embarrassed by accounts of their officers confiscating feminine hygiene products.

It's interesting to compare the Tribune's coverage of this document release with the Houston Chronicle's. The Chronicle's headline reads, "DPS releases documents to back up its 'jars of feces' statements" and the text of this very short piece carefully avoids stating outright "that DPS documents does not back up those claims." Instead, the first part includes Steve McCraw's statement and a description about how the documents "show how state police prepared for the chaos that ensued the day the Senate took a final vote in mid-July to pass a sweeping package of abortion restrictions. The documents include security photos of activists, three photos of confiscated items and communication from DPS intelligence analysts highlighting potential threats." Only in the second to last paragraph does the Chronicle allow as "The agency never released photographs of the items, prompting lawmakers and activists groups to question the veracity of the claims." And it concludes with:

"If we have photos, let's push them out," Robert Bodisch, assistant director of the agency's Texas Homeland Security arm wrote to McCraw in a July 14 email.


IOW, the writers of the article seem to be standing on their heads to avoid saying what the Tribune states outright in its headline.

Yet another right wing myth fails.

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Date: 29/8/13 18:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
when I saw that on reddit, I wondered how long before ya posted yer follow-up.

I am jack's total lack of surprise.

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Date: 29/8/13 18:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
does it count that I'm a liberal and my two and a half year old screams "I POOPIN" at the top of his lungs whenever he's, well, pooping?

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Date: 29/8/13 18:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
he's never thrown any. Not that he wouldn't if he thought it would be funny!

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Date: 29/8/13 19:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Having babysat 2 year olds, I'm thinking smearing is more likely than throwing.

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Date: 29/8/13 19:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
nah, he's gonna be a major league baseball pitcher.

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Date: 29/8/13 20:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
CUBS WIN!

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Date: 29/8/13 19:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Aw, poop.

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Date: 29/8/13 19:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Never seen it in America, but worldwide (http://www.dispatch.co.za/toilet-protesters-raise-a-stink/):

Image

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Date: 29/8/13 19:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Surfs up!

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Date: 29/8/13 19:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
I'm going to tell myself that's chocolate milk until it represses the impulse to blow chunks.

(no subject)

Date: 29/8/13 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
"Guys, I, uh, gotta go change my uniform..."

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Date: 31/8/13 05:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
My dog's name is chunks...

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Date: 29/8/13 19:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brother-dour.livejournal.com
Given how much bullshit is present in Texas Legislature on any given day anyway, 18 jars is no big deal (even if it was true).
Edited Date: 29/8/13 19:29 (UTC)

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Date: 31/8/13 05:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
In my mind the wolf one the right is laughing and the one on the left is saying "you're a dickhead ralph"

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Date: 29/8/13 20:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
So a debate about releasing photos in July (the part you quoted) means that the release of the photos in August shows no poop jars?

This is all from the same time frame:

The Department of Public Safety endured heavy criticism for confiscating feminine hygiene products and then later claiming that found and discarded a total of 18 jars of "suspected" urine and feces. The agency never released photographs of the items, prompting lawmakers and activists groups to question the veracity of the claims.

"If we have photos, let's push them out," Robert Bodisch, assistant director of the agency's Texas Homeland Security arm wrote to McCraw in a July 14 email.

"I think we need to," McCraw responded, "as they are saying none of our troopers saw anything."


You get that, right? As the agency has now released photographs, the past tense of the paragraph makes sense.

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Date: 29/8/13 20:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I hope the Chronicle publishes them if they were given access beyond viewing.

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Date: 29/8/13 21:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Who knows. This idea that the claim was fabricated doesn't hold much water anyway.

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Date: 29/8/13 21:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
it's funny, because someone might suggest that the claim is fabricated, but without any evidence, there's nothing to prove that it's not.

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Date: 29/8/13 22:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Why don't you trust the police, Paft, against those dirty, hippie, abortion-loving democrats? Why do you think they would lie???

/sarcasm

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Date: 30/8/13 01:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
I guess this means that we also have to accept that tea partiers shouted racial slurs and spit on members of the Congressional Black Caucus, right?

Or do we just blindly accept accusations when they're leveled at Democrats?

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Date: 30/8/13 01:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Come, now. We only take the word of PATRIOTS, sir. Swarthy people need not apply.

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Date: 29/8/13 21:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
You're cute. No evidence, nothing in the official report.
Edited Date: 29/8/13 22:00 (UTC)

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Date: 29/8/13 22:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
Lots of folks in Texas (most of our elected officials) consider Wendy Davis and her supporters to be murderin' godless baby killers, so yeah, I can easily believe they fabricated the poop. Anything to discredit women's healthcare and Planned Parenthood.

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Date: 30/8/13 02:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vehemencet-t.livejournal.com
Paft how DARE you! This is all a CONSPIRACY THEORY!! No way a fine governmental institution would fabricate evidence against protestors. No way it would lie.

Clearly they are withholding those photos for reasons of..um..state security! Or maybe they just don't wanna gross people out.

Paft's a conspiracy theorist everybody! Shunnnn!

If you really think that since *they* made the outrageous claim, then its false until proven true beyond a shadow of a doubt, then could you kindly stop Obama from attacking Syria over unproven allegations of its regime's use of chemical weapons?

Hey I bet if they locked those protesters up and tortured them for awhile, they would actually confess to having the poo.

(no subject)

Date: 30/8/13 05:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
Funny how the same people demanding to see photographs of poo in jars were willing to buy that the government buried Osama bin Laden at sea without proof.

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Date: 30/8/13 07:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
One of those was (or should have been, fuck you George W Bush) a top priority for US military for a near decade, the other is a somewhat unlikely accusation.

(no subject)

Date: 30/8/13 19:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Wait, photographs of jars of feces is a top priority for US military?

(no subject)

Date: 30/8/13 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
herp derp derp.

humans need new comedy material. blah.

'all is the same, nothing matters, knowledge strangles'

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Date: 30/8/13 17:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
are you a bin Laden truther?

(no subject)

Date: 30/8/13 19:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
popcorn.gif

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Date: 30/8/13 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Infowars is on it!

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Date: 30/8/13 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Image

So do you believe Osama Bin Laden is alive?

(no subject)

Date: 31/8/13 02:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
No, just that... other things... were done to his body. What things? Who knows!

(no subject)

Date: 31/8/13 18:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yelena-r0ssini.livejournal.com
Hangin' out w/Elvis probably.

(no subject)

Date: 30/8/13 07:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
I smell an upcoming false flag operation.

(no subject)

Date: 30/8/13 23:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
This isn't the first time that the GOP has lied about shit, hoping if it threw enough shit at the other side some of the shit would stick. Wasn't there a story posted to this community where people supposedly shat on the American flag only for it to turn out that this was really an incident that happened five years beforehand? You'd think people would have learned about those lies from the last time.

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