[identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I cannot understand this whole SNAP debacle that is being played out and talked about. I do not understand how ANYONE can be against feeding the hungry. I am willing to concede that there will be waste and fraud. I cannot imagine what system(s) would not have *some* waste and fraud. That said, waste and fraud are bad, but, let's not go throwing the baby out with the bath water, eh?

Food is NOT an option for people. Neither is water. These two things are HUMAN RIGHTS as far as I am concerned. Nobody, anywhere, should be deprived of access to food and water. And you know what, these things, in their most basic form (ie. basic food staples, not fancy food feasts), should be free. That's right, free. For *every single person*.

I understand that to some cold-hearted demons out there, people only deserve food and water if they *work* for it. Well fuck that. Work is not the pre-requisite, IMO, for food or water. Those should be denied to NOBODY.

I have a question to ask folks here, and I'm not sure I will be able to stomach the responses, but here goes:

Under what circumstances should a hungry person be denied food/water?

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Date: 26/6/13 03:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
So murder is A-OK if it generates shareholder value?

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Date: 26/6/13 03:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
It's a simple question. I'm sorry you find it difficult to answer.

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Date: 26/6/13 03:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Anyone in the US dying from Nestle? You can be as verbose as you want to be in your reply.

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Date: 26/6/13 04:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
You can answer that by Googling "Nestle" and "death" -- but that wasn't my question. Again, I am sorry that you find it so difficult to respond to a simple query about ethics.

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Date: 26/6/13 04:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
it's an ideology issue crossed with a PR problem. It's easier to evade.

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Date: 26/6/13 04:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
This is what the West gets for throwing the baby of classical education out with the bathwater of Christian imperialism.

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Date: 26/6/13 04:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Googling nestle and death came up with a scare website and a case of a Nestle employee dying in Britain, didn't see anything about Nestle killing people in the US. Are water and foodstuffs a commodity? Is making that statement and that Nestle has a requirement to their stockholders encouraging mass murder?

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Date: 26/6/13 04:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Again, let me express my sorrow at a fellow human being's inability to provide a coherent response to a rather straightforward ethical question.

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Date: 26/6/13 04:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
So murder is A-OK if it generates shareholder value?

Can't agree with that.

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Date: 26/6/13 04:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Ah, so we see then that there are in fact social values that trump shareholder value. Our Nestlean brother therefore clearly misspoke.

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Date: 26/6/13 08:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
"Not murder" is not a social value.

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Date: 26/6/13 13:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
So we live in a society that accepts murder. Good to know.

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Date: 26/6/13 14:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Thank god, he speaks for himself most of the time. Er nearly all of the time. Mavericky stuff.

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Date: 26/6/13 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
It is fascinating and sad that people have to tie themselves in knots to defend the position that nothing ethically supersedes the creation of shareholder value.

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Date: 26/6/13 19:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Dontchoo be talkin bout my Mammon!

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Date: 26/6/13 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
By self professed Christians too!

It's also heart breaking seeing this much ink spilled over essentially a no brainer of an ethical question too. Although I suspect you're seeing a lot low-grade trolling on both posts because of who the two original posters are. In the other post, one person was VERY upset that I brought up Marco Rubio in a thread (the dry mouth speech / bottle water awkward grab off screen incident), and they were outraged because they HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME with public speaking. HOW dare we make fun of Marco Rubio!?!

The variance in empathic skills on the two subjects (Marco Rubio's speech gaffe versus hunger and no water) is just astonishing to me.
Edited Date: 26/6/13 20:15 (UTC)

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Date: 26/6/13 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Since I wasn't even trying to do that...

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Date: 26/6/13 21:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Funny. Your sarcasm still doesn't make it a social value.

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Date: 26/6/13 06:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Since we're abotu Nestle...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott

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Date: 26/6/13 19:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
You kind of have to be able to answer these easy first-round questions before you get to the next level.

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