[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
In a previous posting I considered the difference between science and engineering as a difference between theory and practicality. In considering the work of military contractors developing neural wave technology the issue of distinguishing between invention and engineering came up. The military engineers have been handed the task of devising an electronic gadget with the capacity to alter the thought patterns of a target individual. Are they inventing the machine or are they engineering it? What is the basic difference between the two activities?

Invention of a device has very strict legal implications. Once the device has been invented the inventor has no control over how it is subsequently used. The best she can hope for is material compensation for her "genius" in crafting the prototype. Two individuals working independently can craft the same device but only one of them will be recognized as the lawful inventor with intellectual property rights. The other inventor receives no compensation for her efforts and may lose further in the legal proceedings that ultimately determine the disposition of the intellectual property rights.

An American or British entrepreneur may have the vision to create a gadget that alters or restricts the thought patterns of an individual but that vision is powerless without a team of engineers who are ready, willing, and able to implement the vision. Once they come up with a prototype device the cat is out of the bag. The original visionary has no way to rein in how or where her invention is subsequently used. Other entrepreneurs will take the ball and run with it in completely unexpected directions. If the technique can control a mind, it can also de-control a mind. Anglo-American monopoly cannot be guaranteed outside of Anglo-American jurisprudence. An inexpensive Chinese version is inevitable.

Do you see the limits on intellectual property rights as a benefit or a hindrance to human progress? With whom do your sympathies lie: with the inventor or with the engineer?

Links: Claude Crampes and Corinne Languinier on patent enforcement issues.

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Date: 25/6/13 08:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
It's hard to comment on intellectual property rights of things that only exist theoretically.

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Date: 25/6/13 12:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
"Theoretically" implies that somewhere out there is an equivalent to Einstein's Zur Quantentheorie der Strahlung for Sophia's constant references to "neural wave machines". But it has been at least a year and half since she told me flat out that her "sources have not been published yet" even though here she is outright saying there are military engineers who have been "handed the task of devising an electronic gadget with the capacity to alter the thought patterns of a target individual."

So rather than such a device being theoretical at this point, I'd say the more apt terms of art are "hokum", "balderdash" and "bull plop".
Edited Date: 25/6/13 12:39 (UTC)

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Date: 25/6/13 16:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Giving up on you ever explaining what the fuck you are talking about is not skepticism.

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Date: 26/6/13 05:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Theoretical was a poor choice of words, I agree. I should've said it only exists through gossip.

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Date: 26/6/13 20:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
That's not an experience. I have not experienced seeing the moon because someone else described it to me. I have not experienced pregnancy because someone else described it to me.

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Date: 27/6/13 18:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Onto insults, eh? I don't lack the faculties to experience what you claim, your analogy is completely wrong.

Unless one of those faculties is faith in the divine Creator of the immobile Earth, since you expect me to take this on your word just like the church expects you to take their dogma on theirs.

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Date: 27/6/13 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Nope, the one who turned this personal was you.

Don't do that again, or you'll be in trouble. Again.

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Date: 27/6/13 23:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
If you actually worked on something that was so secret that you couldn't provide a source, you wouldn't be talking about it so much. That's a pretty basic breach of confidentiality.

If it's not a secret, you've yet to provide any evidence of its existence other than your word which, again, is exactly what religions do.

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Date: 26/6/13 05:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
I can't provide feedback for things whose existence I can't confirm scientifically. The onus of evidence is on you, I can't just take your word for it.

For thousands of years people just took the church's word that the world was flat.

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Date: 26/6/13 20:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
I'm not saying 'it could not possibly exist' I am asking for proof that it exists. Again, I can't make a judgement call on something that I have to take your word for.

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Date: 27/6/13 18:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Nice attempt at diversion. Don't bother replying to me if you're not going to prove that what you claim actually exists.

Unless you want to proselytize more.

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Date: 27/6/13 19:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
What an arrogant thing to say.

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Date: 27/6/13 23:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
That's exactly what a Scientologist would say.

Next step is you offering me a free e-reader test.
Edited Date: 27/6/13 23:42 (UTC)

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