[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
As a pre-pubescent girl I learned from my mother that the Church knows nothing about divinity. I compared myself to peers whose parents were enthralled to the Church or one of its subsidiary scions. I noticed that the quality of my life had a certain aspect that was missing from the lives of those peers. The teachers at the school I attended did not whack us with a ruler or force us to sit in a corner when we got caught in one of our sinister antics. My sisters and I were not forced to listen to dull sermons on Sundays instead of exploring the world around us in joy and adventure. We did not have to wear uncomfortable clothes whose cost meant the sacrifice of more precious goods and services. We were not coerced into peddling boxes of addictive sugar cookies on an annual basis.

My peers tried to use the terror of eternal torment to convert me to their own indoctrinated servility. My mother's observations on the ignorance of the Church echoed in my mind as I weighed the costs and benefits of taking my peers seriously. Their vicious and brutal punishment for ignoring the dictates of the Church comes straight from the organization that knows nothing about divinity. Why should I invest emotional energy into a deception? It would only degrade my quality of life to the level of my peers.

There is an inverse version of Pascal's Wager that I did not comprehend until later in life. If there is no after-death experience, or if the Church is otherwise wrong about an such experience, then listening to Church leaders will hinder a person from living life to its fullest. The experience of beatitude before death is not available to those enthralled to the deception of eternal torment. The only way to transcend suffering is to ignore the advise of those who are enslaved to suffering. Pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

How can this notion be applied to the secular domain of public policy? Consider the case of Iraq. A great deal of hay was made over how much the people of Iraq suffered under the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. The people who raised such a fuss were apologetic about the suffering caused by their own "do good" efforts at regime change. Meet the new boss: far worse than the old boss. At least the neocon slaves of eternal damnation can see themselves as having earned their wings in the pit of Hell. We can extend this analysis to the Vietnam tragedy as well. The village must be obliterated in order to save it.

Does this give you any optimism over US intervention in Korea, Iran, or Syria? Do you suspect that the people enslaved to eternal damnation stuck their noses into the Iranian elections?

Links: Lis Gabriels on public safety in Bush's Iraq. Nature article on mass kidnapping in Baghdad. Press TV interview with Gordon Duff on interference in Iranian elections.

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Date: 17/6/13 15:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
Why the upcoming elections in Iran? Didn't the election already finish?

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Date: 17/6/13 15:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
I thought those were your words, not copied.

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Date: 17/6/13 15:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
needs more body language

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Date: 17/6/13 16:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Rome will be glad to hear that Pentecostalism is one of its subsidiaries.

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Date: 17/6/13 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I attended a charismatic mass celebrated by Cardinal Suenens, what a blast that was!

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Date: 17/6/13 19:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Did someone call for charismatic mass?

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Date: 18/6/13 20:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
You asked for it, variety I mean

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Date: 17/6/13 19:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Hehe. I gave my first sermon/talk at a charismatic Catholic meeting. The verse was Exodus 39:26.

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Date: 17/6/13 21:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Was that sermon in less than 300 words?

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Date: 18/6/13 07:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Because brevity is the soul of wit.

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Date: 18/6/13 13:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
So we don't assess the length of different types of presentations according to different standards? A brief commencement speech is the same length as a brief commercial for soap? A brief philosophy lecture is the same length as a brief wedding toast?

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Date: 18/6/13 15:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
I was told by a sage that brevity is the soul of wit. They didn't deign further elaboration, and I didn't ask because... well... sages oughtn't explain 'emselves. They just know things.

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Date: 17/6/13 21:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
I think old Zod looked better, his costume was less busy

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Date: 18/6/13 02:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
I am more concerned about Russian intervention in Iran and Syria, and about the Chinese puppet masters behind North Korean aggression. And while you may be correct that certain religious institutions and leaders were influential in the Iranian elections, if Persian Pentecostalist Papists (PPP) were involved, they were darned careful to keep a low profile.

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