Apparently, Lots of Libertarians Don't Think Women are People Either

[paft.livejournal.com]

So The Mercatus, a right-wing think tank, has declared North Dakota -- which recently passed an incredibly restrictive anti-abortion law, one of the free-est of all the fifty states

Once again, we see that when right wing libertarians use the word "liberty," they're using their own extra-special definition of it. As Salon has pointed out reproductive freedom apparently isn't even entered into the calculations,

Women, you see, just don't count.



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Comments

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

well she can be, there's nothing to stop her. My point is that he needs to speak for himself and stop using his wife as an example of what all women think, or what all independent women think, or whatever he is trying to say. Cause all I'm hearing is a whole lot of defense of his overt concern for issues that are a priority for white men. Even if his lovely wife agrees with him.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

What stops her are people like you, she simply will not tolerate such beratement, especially from a total stranger.

You just don't get it do you?

I used her a single example of why the over generalization that all libertarians are pro-illegal abortion, just to show that absolutes are often wrong.

Dang, you REALLY REALLY don't get this, do you??

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

his overt concern for issues that are a priority for white men

As if this somehow affects white men any more than hispanic men, asian men, black men, and arab men. Does being against white men give you a sense of superiority, like you're doing the right thing?

de colores

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

see this is the issue. I tried to l keep this about gender in general, and somehow this guy thinks we are racist because we do not agree with him 100, only 98%.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I was speaking specifically about the absence of voting rights - which you would have understood if you had bothered to read the whole thread.

Because the absence of taking into account reproductive rights (which the OP mentioned) and voting rights (which I raised as another important concern) together make this ranking a list created by and for white men.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

The main opic here is abortion. You get to add a second issue, then pronounce it a list created by and for white men?

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

So? The list is glaring in its many exclusions.Its perfectly valid to point this out. You don't like, I no care you don't like.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

No. The discussion was about abortion. The question regarding males applied to all males. You can't come in, add your own topic, then claim it's a list by and for white males.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

Really? Well that's a shame, because I already did. (Maybe you are mistaking this post for Friday LOLZ). You just don't get it, do you?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking he is not the one who doesn't get it. Generally on this forum (unlike, oh, say sf_drama) typing the word "privilege" does not automatically end and win a discussion.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

I asked her for further clarifican on why the LP does not have a specific position.

Her response is that people who espouse 'pro-[fill in blank] are actually talking about government and whether it has the authority to intercede in personal choices.

Since that broad category nicely fits such issues, you can be rest assured that Libertarians are PRO CHOICE on Everything!

Does that help, or do I need to go get a black female to type this to you, so you can accept it, being that you are a sexist racist towards men of no color.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I'm glad Libertarians are 'pro choice on everything'. No doubt some are. My reading informs me that some are, but there are also many Libertarians that are anti-choice. As you've pointed out, people don't have to agree with everything that their party, or a subsection of their party, or a think-tank espouses..

The problem I'm having with this ranking is that it ignores essential components of liberty. Saying it ignores issues because they are contentious is a cop-out. The fact that this ranking doesn't touch on reproductive freedom or voting rights is highly problematic.

Someone has said in this post that its a list created by a sub-set of Libertarians. Fair enough. My beef is that you and others appear to be defending this ranking instead of acknowledging that it has some very grave short comings. Shortcomings that a Libertarian or a left-leaning Independent should be concerned with.

That assumes, of course, that one isn't so steeped in their own privilege that they either don't recognize the short comings or feel that other peoples' liberties aren't as important as theirs. I would posit that a true Libertarian cares about everyone's liberty, and everyone's right to make their own decisions, whether they will ever have to make those choices or not. A real Libertarian wouldn't be ok with only regulating some things that just don't happen to effect them (because they have other priorities). People who call themselves Libertarians, but are just fine with regulating other peoples' choices, are nothing more than selfish asshats masquerading as Libertarians.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

I am not defending ranking. There you go again!

I am simply challenging and questioning the motive of the OP to lump all libertarians as one gang not supportive of reproductive rights.

The rest of that gibberish is merely misinterpretation.

Highly problematic, you say? How about highly subjective on your part?

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

If you think reproductive freedom and voting rights are subjective, then there's nothing more to discuss. Really there isn't.