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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/11/15/romney-obama-won-with-gifts-to-certain-voters/1706223/

"Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is telling top donors that President Barack Obama won re-election because of the "gifts" he had already provided to blacks, Hispanics and young voters and because of the president's effort to paint Romney as anti-immigrant."

"Among the "gifts" Romney cited were free health care "in perpetuity," which he said was highly motivational to black and Hispanic voters as well as for voters making $25,000 to $35,000 a year.

Romney also said the administration's promise to offer what he called "amnesty" to the children of illegal immigrants — what he termed "the so-called DREAM Act kids" — helped send Hispanics to the polls for Obama."

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It's one thing to see this from insane Beck commenters, but another to see it from Romney himself. This call was to donors and you could say he had the incentive to say things like this, but if the higher ups in the Republican party honestly believe the "Obama won because he's giving away free stuff to blacks and latinos" line, we're going to see a Democrat in the White House in 2016.

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Date: 15/11/12 13:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rjf-snyker.livejournal.com
The ruins of the Reichstag satisfied (c) Obama's victory is satisfied

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Date: 15/11/12 13:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
So, mitt Romney is The Reichstag fire and President Obama is Hilter and Dems are Nazis?

Did I miss your quip?

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Date: 15/11/12 16:37 (UTC)
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No Comprende, Pendejo. Please try again.

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Date: 17/11/12 19:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com
Gotta be honest, at the time I thought he was pandering to donors and didn't really believe that stuff. Not to the degree that it would inform everything he sees. But now...wow.

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Date: 15/11/12 14:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
"Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is telling top donors that President Barack Obama won re-election because of the "gifts" he had already provided to blacks, Hispanics and young voters and because of the president's effort to paint Romney as anti-immigrant."

Yeah. It's a bitch when the POTUS treats all Americans like Americans instead of only a select subset that liked to call themselves "The Real America (http://www.chicagonow.com/chicanisima-latino-politics-news-and-culture/2012/11/obama-won-in-the-real-america/)".

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Date: 15/11/12 15:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I've heard every excuse possible from the GOP except for "the dog ate my homework".

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Date: 15/11/12 17:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
He could not use that one because the dog was strapped to the roof of the car.

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Date: 15/11/12 15:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notmrgarrison.livejournal.com
Romney also said the administration's promise to offer what he called "amnesty" to the children of illegal immigrants — what he termed "the so-called DREAM Act kids" — helped send Hispanics to the polls for Obama."

There's an absolutely outlandish claim.

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Date: 15/11/12 16:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Because 1) all Hispanics are sympathetic to illegal immigrants. No Hispanics are members of the GOP or back any kind of restrictions on illegal immigrants, and 2) all Hispanics think alike, right? A Cuban is a Guatemalan is an Argentine, so why bother noting that maybe they might vote differently based on that regard? Naw, them Lah-teen-ohs should be bashed on cheap demographic-based populist appeal.

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Date: 15/11/12 15:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
"Well my political career is over, might as well be the hateful bigot I was trying to suppress during the election."

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Date: 16/11/12 01:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
I would have thought you were too intelligent to try and make a correlation with that, but obviously I was wrong.

(By the way, most of the conservative pundits I have heard, think his assessment is wrong, and since the voter turnout was actually lower this time in "targeted" groups he probably is wrong. I admit that my initial reaction (given how "we" voted in Ca.) ran very much along those lines....I am currently reassessing)

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Date: 15/11/12 15:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Does this count as Romney's "Apology Tour" to the astonishingly wealthy?

I could understand that. They spent 400 million of their own money to get him in the White House and all they got was a second Obama administration.

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Date: 15/11/12 15:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Pretty much. That's what Bubble-living will do to ya!

Also: Is Dick Morris out of a job yet?

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Date: 15/11/12 16:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com
Implode faster, assholes.

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Date: 15/11/12 16:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
A politician promised people things so he could get votes. I'm pretty sure that's happened before - and by before, I mean every time anyone has ever run for any elected office, ever.

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Date: 15/11/12 22:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
There's nothing wrong with it either, it's how they act on their promises post election that matters. If they weren't promising things then what would their platforms be? Vote for me, I have nicer teeth!

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Date: 15/11/12 16:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
argle bargle wargle gargle (http://thekitchencabinet.us/exclusive-democrats-might-have-won-by-stealing-your-private-information/)

and:

Ooga Booga Booga (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/charlie-webster-maine-gop_n_2136055.html?ref=topbar)

I used to think some of my fellow Democrats were pretty wacky during the Bush years.

I'd forgotten how unhinged some Republicans can get while they are busy sucking their thumbs in fear of Black Helicopters and the UN.
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Date: 15/11/12 17:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
GOOGLE STREET VIEW IS WATCHING YOU!!!111!!

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Date: 15/11/12 16:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Wow. The GOP's really going the way of British Labor after all. I look forward to seeing how people say that what he said here was not really what he meant, and really it's so offensive to say that blacks and Latinos (who are all a completely homogenous undifferentiated mass of brown people) being lazy bums on the dole is racist as opposed to the actual racist sentiment itself.

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Date: 15/11/12 16:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
I wonder if he realizes how many people actually voted AGAINST Romney moreso than for Obama.

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Date: 15/11/12 16:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
If he was the kind of guy to realize that, he might have actually won the election.

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Date: 15/11/12 17:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Romney should take his bat and ball back to the Cayman Islands.

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Date: 15/11/12 17:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Image
But doesn't everyone like free stuff? Except for that baby on the Capital One commercials.
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Date: 15/11/12 17:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
VOTERS SIMPLY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES!

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Date: 15/11/12 17:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
...or is that one just too worn out?

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Date: 15/11/12 17:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Even if we accept this as fact, if Romney ran a better campaign it clearly wouldn't have mattered. Would have been nice for him to take some ownership of his campaign's failings first.

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Date: 15/11/12 17:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Would have been nice for him to take some ownership

Glad he didn't get the job then.

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Date: 15/11/12 20:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usekh.livejournal.com
Man he still can't tell the truth.

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Date: 15/11/12 21:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Yes how dare an elected leader in a representative democracy get elected by doing what the people want.

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Date: 15/11/12 21:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] texasskier.livejournal.com
"Obama won because he's giving away free stuff to blacks and latinos"
OK. Looking at demography I suppose Republican party should be paid off. No chances for future.

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Date: 15/11/12 22:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] major-dallas.livejournal.com
Gov. Jindal calls 'BULLSHIT' on Romney (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/jindal-slams-romney-claiming-obama-won-big-gifts-article-1.1202456)

From the article:
“No, I think that’s absolutely wrong,” he said, according to Politico. “Two points on that: One, we have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent. We need to go after every single vote.”

“And, secondly,” he continued, “we need to continue to show how our policies help every voter out there achieve the American Dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children an opportunity to be able to get a great education.”

“So, I absolutely reject that notion, that description,” he said. “I think that’s absolutely wrong.”



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Date: 16/11/12 00:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Jindal is setting up an exploratory committee, isn't he?

Side note: Autocorrect on my iPad keeps trying to change "Jindal" to "Mondale".

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Date: 16/11/12 03:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
I never got my Obama money. :(

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Date: 16/11/12 18:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
Okaaay. So a candidate offered the majority of the American people things they like, as in, some hope for access to healthcare and an approach to dealing with the economy that doesn't seem to involve making things tougher for people who are already struggling. And those selfish bastards voted for that candidate! Just because he promised to make their lives better! Bribery, I tell you!

See, the appropriate response from those of us not part of the 1% is a zen-like acceptance of the fact that many of us are going to have to work possibly over 40 hours a week for the rest of our lives (forget retirement) in order to merely survive. We just need to understand that little sacrifices like getting very, very sick, much sicker than we would if we could actually afford a physician, becoming disabled,and possibly even dying prematurely are all a part of supporting "job creators" right to build fabulous mansions with moats and car elevators.

I mean, really, food, shelter, clothing, it's all so sordidly materialistic. Shouldn't those of us in the 99% think of higher, purer things when we vote for a candidate?
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