[identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others". -- (One plump man with a big jaw and a cigar).


WARSHINGTON, District of Whocareswhereville. O, glory! O, hallelujah! Last night, the most historic event suddenly and inexplicably happened in this great nation of these The United States of The America. A change was made to the Constitution by We The People™, adding one last, 28th Amendment, which was instantly ratified with a 99.9% majority, and ultimately brought real democracy to the God-chosen people of The America.

The new and final Amendment is called the "Real Democracy Amendment", and is really quite simple: it includes complete reform in campaign finance, removal of the electoral college, and disbandment of all parties. From now on, all candidates for public office will be publicly funded at the respective level of office, and the origin of the funds will be completely transparent, and distributed strictly according to ballot appearance requirements that shall be universal for all voters, thus ensuring equal access for all. The candidates' personal income and wealth shall be fully disclosed, and any contributions from special interest groups and entities shall be completely removed from the campaign. The campaign itself shall last for 10 weeks. The election winners shall be decided by a simple majority, all votes counting equally in the final tally. The system of "electors" who, by the power of their respective party apparatus, have thus far been obliged to fall in line with the rest of said party, shall be removed.

The #28 Real Democracy Amendment hereby puts all political parties outside the law on both federal and state level, making it necessary for each voter to explore each candidate's stance on the issues, and then make an informed decision at the ballots, instead of just voting for a mindless hive-mind group that has only some vague, mostly populist and definitely unachievable platform posted on their campaign website. The Amendment also obligates the politicians elected into office to strive to achieve a balance between defending the interests of their direct constituents and reaching compromise solutions, with the purpose of giving priority to wiser, and inclusive policies.

Further, during the election campaign, no candidate shall be allowed to personally attack their opponents based on their personal life, their family, their acquaintances, and their personal history. If an attack at the opponent's character is truly necessary, it shall relate to, and originate from the political stances and intended (or demonstrated) policies of said candidate - provided that the accusation specifically points out how said character flaw would affect real-world policies, as opposed to appealing to emotion and irrational response from the voters. Further, any candidate who pronounces three blatant lies during the election campaign, shall be automatically removed from the ballot.

When They The People™ learned about the news, great jubilation ensued across towns and villages all throughout the night, as it started slowly dawning on more and more people what the Amendment really meant for them: namely, that after more than two centuries of experiments with useless, archaic and outright stupid election practices, resulting in imminent but hardly surprising failure, the great God-chosen nation of these The United States of The America now have a chance for Real Democracy™, and an opportunity to see real wise policies moving this nation forward, rather than burying it further down into the quagmire of indefinite partisan deadlock, populist pandering for the sake of short-term political gains, and the eroding effect of big-money interests on society.

...But then I woke up in bed, all in sweat, having pissed my pants from joy, and I switched to the News. And I learned that none of that had ever happened.

Then I sipped a beer and went out to feed the sheep in the backyard.

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Date: 5/11/12 21:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Yeah, morning beer usually tends to disperse the nightmares. :-P

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Date: 5/11/12 23:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Does morning beer help disperse sleeping companions? I usually use a wheelbarrow myself.

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Date: 6/11/12 07:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Shkembe chorba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe_soups) with vinegar and garlic tends to do the job much better.

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Date: 6/11/12 17:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
My wheelbarrow would collapse beneath the weight.
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Date: 7/11/12 05:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
lol, silly girl, just carry them out one at a time. Geeze, my wheelbarrow would also collapse if I had to carry them out all at once!

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Date: 5/11/12 21:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wight1984.livejournal.com
I would be pleased to see electoral reform in the US and overjoyed to see it in the UK (my own nation). However, I don't think party political politics is to blame. It's interesting that you dislike character attacks but I would predict that a non-party political system would become very focused on character rather than policies.

I'd rather just have an electoral system that doesn't inevitably trend towards a two-party system.

I would like to see actively lying to the electorate to be a criminal offence, although that's ground that must be trod very carefully (as it could be used to censor viewpoints rather than make sure that politicians express themselves in good faith).

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Date: 5/11/12 23:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
It's not often politicians actually lie to us. Most of the time they just bullshit us. There is a huge difference.

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Date: 6/11/12 07:12 (UTC)

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Date: 6/11/12 17:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wight1984.livejournal.com
What do you see as being the difference?

I can think of a number of high profile cases where politicians have made factually incorrect statements -and- in which I suspect they knew they were doing so. The 'No to AV' campaign in the UK was characterised by factually false statements that seem to have been fabricated rather than due to genuine misunderstanding.

Phil Woolas lost of seat due to a court case about him lying in his election campaign: link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Woolas#Election_court_case)

I've not been following the US presidential election as closely as many here surely are but I'm led to believe that Mitt Romney's campaign is characterised by falsehoods.

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Date: 6/11/12 22:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
The difference is whether something has no basis whatsoever in fact, or whether you just have to stretch really, really hard to make the claim you're making. The two biggest ones I can think of are Romney's red-meat attacks: that Obama cut $700+ billion from Medicare, and that he "gutted" the work requirement. Both are sorta true, if you squint really hard and turn your head like a dog waiting on a treat. In reality, Obama cut Medicare payouts, not benefits, by adjusting reimbursement rates, and the work requirement went away in select states that wanted to experiment with a different mechanism, and in return promised higher results. The base-line is correct ("Medicare spending will drop $700b" and "some states no longer have a work requirement for welfare") but the actual circumstances are vastly different.

That's the difference between bullshit and lies: one has a kernel of truth, intermingled like a piece of undigested corn, and the other is just a sloppy light-brown mess. Of course, the guy serving up the former will point to that one piece of corn, tell you "It's got food in it!" and act offended when you turn it down.
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Date: 7/11/12 05:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Is English your second language? This might not translate but let me try...

Neither Obama nor Romney addressed how they would pay down debt or deficit. That's bullshit!
Both talked at some length about the Israeli situation, but we all know nothing is going to change there, so that's total bullshit.
All candidates throw around numbers all the time, like either percentages or dollar amounts, often in future tense, that are statistically framed to favour the orator. That's bullshit.
Candidates will say one thing to one audience and then something completely contrary to another crowd. That's bullshit.

Lying should be simply saying a falsehood, But quite often these lies are excused by simply having the wrong numbers/information in the notes in front of them.
"i did not have sex with that woman" was a lie until Clinton clarified that his definition of sex excluded blowjobs. So that's bullshit too.

Lies are only lies when they are admitted to be lies, Any good bullshitter should be able to talk their way most lies, well, just about any lie. And that's what politicians do best. Because they're awesome at bullshit.

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Date: 7/11/12 22:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wight1984.livejournal.com
English is my first language (in fact... I am English).

However, 'bullshit' is somewhat ambiguous in meaning :oP

I'd still say that politicians lie, even if those lies are clouded in 'bullshit' to make them less obvious.

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Date: 5/11/12 21:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
But then who will feed us poor journalists? =)

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Date: 6/11/12 17:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
"Blessed are the journalists, for they shall report on the inheritance of the meek."

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Date: 5/11/12 22:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
That may help in the future, but we are just hours away from the most important election of our generation in the history of the world in the country of all time that ever will be.

Whatever elections follow this, along with their rules, just won't matter.

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Date: 5/11/12 22:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And of course the next election will also be the most important election that is now, ever was, or again will be. And then the one after it, and the one after that.... ;)

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Date: 5/11/12 23:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
But...I heard we are at a turning point! You really think there are going to be turning points from here on out? No chance.

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Date: 5/11/12 23:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And four years from now we will also be at the turning point to end all turning points. Then four years later from that, we will be there again. Eight years later, once more, with feeling and Bambi eyes and pouting, this time. ;)

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Date: 6/11/12 17:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
My sheep is electric.

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