[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Children attending middle school today have no direct experience of the events that led to the quagmire in Afghanistan. Likewise, they have no experience of the pre-9/11 world. They have grown up in a time and place that bears the imprint of that tragic act of war and all of the knee-jerk stupidity that followed in its wake.

A comparable event for people of my generation might be the construction of the Berlin Wall or, better, the Cuban Missile Crisis. It was an event that left a lasting impression on the adults and older children of our youth. Its trauma was tangible given that it was the closest the US and USSR got to a full blown exchange of nuclear munitions. The fear left a mark on those who lived it while the youngest of us picked up on it in a second-hand fashion. It seemed as if the world was always that way just as today's middle school students know nothing of life before Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.

The collapse of the Soviet Union has made it possible for us to get a glimpse of the machinations behind the scenes in Moscow. A. A. Fursenko and Timothy Naftali published a joint study of the event as an East/West collaboration. The work includes the impression that IRBM (intermediate range ballistic missile) deployment by US/UK/NATO in England, Italy, and Turkey made on Soviet leaders. These missiles were brought up in the negotiations over withdrawal of Soviet MRBs and IRBMs from Cuba. Another historian, Philip Nash, has published an account of these other missiles and President Kennedy's secret agreement to dismantle them.

The event left us with expressions such as being eyeball to eyeball when the other guy blinked as well as an eloquent description of a rope upon which the knot of war is tied. Dean Rusk, the American Secretary of State at the time, describes the origin of the "eyeball to eyeball" remark in his personal memoir.

Kennedy came away from the event with mixed reviews. He was seen as a strong leader in the eyes of some and a spineless wimp in the eyes of others. Although Kennedy achieved the withdrawal of Soviet IRBMs from Cuba, he promised in return not to invade Cuba and to dismantle American IRBMs. This did not sit well with hard line anti-Communists at the time. Although the removal of the missiles occurred months later, their removal was suspected as a concession to the Soviets. It turned out to be an accurate suspicion since Kennedy's promise to Khrushchev included a removal time frame that was adhered to.



Here is an image of one of the American missiles in Turkey from Philip Nash's book and an image from the Internet. (The nuclear explosive nosecone is missing on the second photo.)

Do you have any observations on US/Soviet/Cuban relations to mark this 50th anniversary of the Missile Crisis? Are there any lessons from that event that political leaders today can learn from?

Links: Fursenko and Naftali's book, One Hell of a Gamble. Philip Nash's book, The Other Missiles of October. Khrushchev's "knot of war" letter. Dean Rusk's memoir, As I Saw It.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papasha-mueller.livejournal.com
It happens that only decades after people understand, who really blinked first.
In the strategic retrospective, I believe Khrushjov played his part well: he both secured Cuba from US invasion AND got the American missiles removed from Turkey.
On the other hand, it has to be admitted that the crisis, paradoxically, led to 'better' relations between two superpowers - i mean the understanding of each other's motivation, way of thinking and decision making processes improved.
'Special thanks to informal contacts.'
In this sense, Khrushev and Kennedy paved the way for Noxon-Brezhnev and emergence of 'arms control'
PS. Cuban missile crisis belongs to the same epogue with the U2 downing, Berlin wall crisis, Vietnam war etc - it was time pretty well packed with notable events.
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Date: 23/10/12 15:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papasha-mueller.livejournal.com
I didn't hear of the bartender, the deal was brokered by Kennedy's brother, Robert and Russian ambassador to US.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papasha-mueller.livejournal.com
You mean to say, he was different channel serving to different needs. One of these channels, I'd say.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
They would have also wanted to avenge the Bay of Pigs incident, while the USA never appreciated the irony of its ringing the USSR with nuclear missiles and screaming bloody murder the very first time the USSR found a way to try to turn the tables. Khrushchev fell not because of Cuba, but the Virgin Lands clusterfuck, and also because he tried to run the USSR as a generic dictatorship.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com


Robert McNamara, the Secretary of Defense, was the subject of a documentary The Fog of War, highly recommended to watch.

Subsequent revelations from former Soviet officials and their American counterparts, along with Fidel Castro show how much much closer than anyone previously thought. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis) cf: "Post-Crisis Revelations." And according to these new revelations, Khrushchev wanted New York City as one of the primary targets for those missiles in Cuba.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Yep, I grew up near Langley AFB, which was at that time headquarters for TAC, and my older brother and his cousin would ride their bikes during the Missile Crisis out to the outskirts of the base, and see the jets readied for immediate take off.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
He actually didn't come out the loser in a serious sense. Cuba went on after this to enjoy a heyday as the major Soviet proxy in large parts of the world like say, South America and Africa, and the USA was never able to invade and/or depose him as happened to people like Lumumba, Mossadeqh, and Allende.

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Date: 23/10/12 16:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
The Fog of War is great. I'll second that recommendation.

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Date: 23/10/12 15:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
It actually was not the closest incident, that would appear to be the Able Archer incident in the 1980s when the USSR really believed WWIII was on the verge of breaking out. As far as the Crisis itself goes, that simply illustrates the reality of US policy at the time and the degree of realism Kennedy had when he asked about missiles in Turkey that had been there for over a decade without realizing they were actually there. And as far as geopolitics goes, in hindsight it was the USSR and Cuba which ultimately won as the USA never invaded Cuba again to impose another pro-US regime there into the 21st Century, but in the short-term it was a US success only in that nuclear war did not happen at a point in time when US preponderance was so overwhelming that a few US cities might have been hit, note the word 'might', but the USSR would have turned into the world's largest concentrated area of green glass.

That Kennedy did not know the extent of the US nuclear arsenal at the time is not a surprise, he, after all, ran on a missile gap that never was and used that kind of fearmongering to make people in the USA frightened of the USSR more than they should have been. It was in the 1970s and 1980s that it actually *did* have a missile gap in its favor. Not the 1960s, which is the reason that no nuclear war happened over this incident.

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Date: 23/10/12 16:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The installation taking ten years is no excuse not to realize we actually had missiles there. One would think someone so terrified of phantom missiles would know damned well where our missiles were or were not.

You realize that in noting that McNamara simply made it clear that the Kennedy Administration was the Democratic version of the Bush Administration, namely idealistic, reliant on blatant lies to secure power, and having no fundamental comprehension of how geopolitics works in the real world?

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Date: 23/10/12 17:24 (UTC)
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I must admit I actually enjoy your non-Caesar, non-psychiatry posts.

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Date: 23/10/12 18:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I was in college during the Cuban missile crisis; watching Kennedy on television scared the bejeezus out of me. I thought nuclear war was only days away.

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Date: 24/10/12 02:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
It was closer than that. McNamara said if Kennedy knew the warheads were armed, he would have ordered an air strike / and or invasion. It wasn't known until the mid 1990s when the former Soviet participants met with their American counter parts and revealed some unknown information.

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