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From Monty Python:



Dino: You ought to be careful, Colonel.

Colonel: We are careful. Extremely careful.

Dino: Of course, uh, fings break, don’t they?

Colonel: Break?

Luigi: Well, everyfing breaks, don’t it Colonel (knocks a ceramic vase off the desk) Oh, there,

Dino: Oh see, my brother’s clumsy, Colonel. When he gets unhappy he, uh, breaks fings. Like, say he don’t feel the army’s playing fair by him, uh, he may start breaking fings, Colonel….

Colonel: Are you threatening me?

Luigi: No, no, no, no, no, whatever made you think that, Colonel?

Dino: The Colonel doesn’t think we’re nice people Louie,

Luigi: We’re your buddies, Colonel.

Dino: We want to look after you!



It's not just a few right wing crackpot business owners slipping their leashes and letting their enthused support for Romney carry them away to the point where they obliquely threaten the people who work for them. The idea comes from elected officials and candidates.





GOP Rep. Joe Walsh:

"If you run, manage or own a company tell your employees! What was the CEO this week that said, if Obama is reelected, I may have to let all of you go next year? If Obama's reelected, if the Democrats take Congress, I may not be able to cover your health insurance next year.








Mitt Romney, from Presidential Small Business Town Hall:

I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections. And whether you agree with me or you agree with President Obama, or whatever your political view, I hope, I hope you pass those along to your employees…

Nothing illegal about you talking to your employees about what you believe is best for the business, because I think that will figure into their election decision, their voting decision and of course doing that with your family and your kids as well.




These people are scared. Republican efforts to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for many low income Americans to vote just aren’t enough. There are still a few members of the middle class, the ones who work in cubicles, who will likely get past the poll workers and actually get to fill out a ballot.

So, the GOP wants business owners to morph into the Vercotti Brothers. They want rank and file workers walking into the voting booth thinking, not of what a given candidate could do for them, but what their boss might do to them if his or her favored candidate doesn’t get elected.

Because the boss is worried! Honest! The boss wants to look out for you!

The boss just wants you to know that fings break.

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes
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Date: 19/10/12 18:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I good way for Democrats to battle back on this? Stop being so bad on issues important to businesses.

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Date: 19/10/12 19:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
That's kinda the fing, ain't it? I means, most o' the programs Dems like will help business inna long run, but inna short run, it means up-front costs expended. These costs, they could buy the missus summin' pretty.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 20:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
One solution, as proposed by jeff, is for Democrats to become Republicans. Problem solved.

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Date: 19/10/12 20:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Ah, so when the GOP engages in voter fraud and intimidation like the bad old days of the 1880s all over again people invariably still refuse to see it when it's right there for them to hear and to see both. None so deaf as those who will not hear and none so blind as those who will not see.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 20:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
The Democratic party is already biased in favor of corporations to much.

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Date: 19/10/12 20:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Perhaps the GOP needs to grow up and realize that the Dems aren't the Stalinists no matter how badly they want them to be. I suppose asking the GOP to enter the 1990s psychologically is asking a bit much of a party of menchildren, I admit. They still need to realize the Soviet Union doesn't exist and Communism is dead, first.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 20:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
That many Democrats/liberals believe this is actually part of the problem posed in the OP. Believing they've gone too far in favor of businesses when they aren't even close to going far enough.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 20:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And what is far enough? Turning the USA into the East India Company variant of the Raj where corporations have all the power and there is no public sector?

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 20:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vitsli.livejournal.com
>> They want rank and file workers walking into the voting booth thinking, not of what a given candidate could do for them, but what their boss might do to them if his or her favored candidate doesn’t get elected.

Nice indicator by the way.
Either:
- I may not be able to cover your health insurance next year (-because of the higher price-)
or:
- I may not be able to cover your health insurance next year (-because My_Candidate is not elected-)

feel the difference.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 21:07 (UTC)

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Date: 19/10/12 21:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I disagree with the choices.

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Date: 19/10/12 21:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Joe Walsh is running against Tammy Duckworth in my district. I'm pleased to be able to vote for Tammy and send this scumbag back to family court, where he can explain why he doesn't pay his child support bills.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 21:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vitsli.livejournal.com
Bring yours.

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Date: 19/10/12 21:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Well, I think it's more along the lines of "I don't want to pay for you to have a good wage and benefits, so I'll fire you if you don't vote for my candidate" vs. well... nothing. Obama isn't asking business owners to threaten their employees into voting for him.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 23:08 (UTC)

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 23:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vitsli.livejournal.com
Wow.
It's a very strong mental Kung-Fu, to read " I may not be able to cover your health insurance" as "I'll fire you if you don't vote for my candidate".

But thanks for proving my "indicator" theory.

(no subject)

Date: 19/10/12 23:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
except, of course, they CAN cover the health insurance, as those costs aren't really changing. This is ideology disguised.

Thanks for proving what I was pretty sure I knew.

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Date: 20/10/12 00:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vitsli.livejournal.com
>> "If the candidate I want isn't elected, I'm going to fire people" as a not-so-subtle attempt at intimidation.
Let us discuss the exact quotes you've posted, not the what-you-think-they-mean.
That is, nobody said anything about firing.

>> The boss wants his employees to vote, not for the candidate they consider the best person for the job, but for whoever is least likely to upset the boss.

The boss may want. An employee may do the same. Their speeches may be very emotional and even "intimidating": "We all are going to lose our jobs, they will come and take our children! TO EAT THEM ALIVE! VOTE FOR XXX!"

I may be wrong, but it looks like you're trying to mix "intimidation" and "threatening".

Every Sunday many churches "intimidate" people promising hell and suffering for wrong-doing.

Or look at this intimidating-intimidating ad, for example:


So what?
It doesn't stop you using your own head or make your own decisions.

(no subject)

Date: 20/10/12 00:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vitsli.livejournal.com
>> except, of course, they CAN cover the health insurance, as those costs aren't really changing.

Telepathic Accounting is your superpower, isn't it?

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Date: 20/10/12 01:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
this isn't rocket science, and their profits aren't that tenuous. The first guy who said that he was going to fire everyone if Obama won, he's building literally the largest house in the US. Stop making these people out to be victims. They're not.

(no subject)

Date: 20/10/12 01:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
except you're not employed by the people who made the advertisement. They don't have any power over you. Employers have a LOT of power over employees.

(no subject)

Date: 20/10/12 01:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Here's the problem: No one has defined "business." It's like the word "technology."

It cannot be universally defined, as if the environment that allows one piece of technology to thrive does so for every other piece. Same with "business." Some thrive in certain circumstances; others in, well, others.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't overlook this key and quite obvious point of definition purely to score rhetorical points.

(no subject)

Date: 20/10/12 01:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
yet, 'Rocky Mountain Way' remains one of the top opening guitar riffs of all time.
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