[identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
In just a few weeks, the title Most Powerful Person on Earth may or may not change hands...

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/07/19/obama-romney-science-debate-why-it-matters/

Now this shall be interesting. A list of questions concerning scientific development and its application in the policies of a future president - it's not like these issues don't matter. I'm not sure in what form the Scientific American and these other organizations will be able to put these questions to the two candidates, and how the hell they're going to "inject more discussion about critical science issues into the US presidential election campaign" where neither side apparently intends to have them injected... but still, I wish them good luck with that.

A lot of the president's job has to do with science, that's for sure. From energy policy to public health, to climate change, to water issues, nuclear power and nuclear weapons, etc etc. I'm not saying a president should be the ultimate nerd, after all they have their advisors and experts and think-tanks who make recommendations which then the president considers and uses as a basis for their decisions. But ultimately, the decision is to be made by the president, period. Even in the very initial process of selecting their advisors, the president's choice is to a large extent determined by their personal convictions.

So it'll be interesting to observe how the two candidates fare on these subjects.

There was an intriguing documentary from a couple of years ago, The President's Guide to Science (watch full vid here). With Michio Kaku, Richard Dawkins, James Watson, Richard Garwin et al. It's worth watching. It raises an important question: since the further course of development of the world to a great extent depends on who the American people choose to be the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth, the question is, is the president aware of the importance of science? Or should they be? That becomes an issue whenever the decisions the POTUS makes directly or indirectly affect everyone on Earth, from nuclear proliferation to climate change, to global food policy, etc.

As Dr Kaku says, "What a president has to know is the amount of uranium necessary to set off a Hiroshima-type bomb... how long it would take, what kind of infrastructure you'd need and how much money it would take to assemble. This is the stuff for which nations go to war."

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Date: 14/10/12 17:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
The President has a tremendous role to play regarding the scientific direction of the country, but Congress is where the appropriations are made for any budgetary requests must take place (and usually in the House of Representatives), and well....how's that going?

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Date: 14/10/12 18:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Yeah (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1575888.html). This country is fucked.

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Date: 15/10/12 18:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
Loved that entire bit.

"First of all, who gives a speech in Deer Hell? I mean, look, I'm neither a hunter nor an interior decorator, but surely there is a happy medium to be had here. Perhaps you could get to stand in front of some of the deer you've killed, and yet we still get to see some wall. Cuz at some point, this stops being hunter's pride, and just looks like ethnic cleansing. "We have always been at war with the deer! Round them up and send them to Deer-chau!""

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Date: 14/10/12 17:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
IMO, all a president needs to know about science is political.

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Date: 14/10/12 18:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
More or less. A president cannot be everything or know enough to be competent at everything. It's a much better skill, IMO, for someone to know what they don't know and be able to delegate accordingly.

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Date: 15/10/12 00:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Technocracy!

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Date: 14/10/12 18:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
OMG. (And here I let my paid account expire for a few weeks, so I can't even use an appropriate icon to show my joy... thus I embed!)

Image

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Date: 16/10/12 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Why didn't my cool Soviet pun get DQ?

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Date: 16/10/12 07:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Dunno, but this one (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1579639.html?thread=127151735#t127151735) did.

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Date: 14/10/12 17:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essentialsaltes.livejournal.com
This was done in 2008 (http://www.sciencedebate.org/debate08.html) with more or less the same questions, and the candidates responded.

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Date: 14/10/12 18:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
The next best thing to being an expert is knowing who is.

Would I prefer my President to be a genius? Sure, but I'll settle for a President who will find and listen to one.
Edited Date: 14/10/12 18:12 (UTC)

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Date: 14/10/12 22:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Good point.

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Date: 15/10/12 01:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
I'd prefer that he listens to experts rather than relying on his own knowledge, which would probably run from inadequate to just enough to be dangerous.

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Date: 15/10/12 05:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
You'd like Vygotsky's theory of proximal intelligence then.

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Date: 14/10/12 18:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
I'll never tire of reiterating this (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/85917.html?thread=4355229#t4355229) and this (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/85917.html?thread=4355485#t4355485).

Experts are what matters. They're the guys who should be working hard behind the scenes. Let politicking(sic?) to the politicians. Policies are forged, crafted, shaped and thought out in cabinets, labs and on the field, before they're even presented black in white at the House or Senate, or the president's desk in the Oval office.

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Date: 14/10/12 18:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
And then Congress fucks them up.

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Date: 14/10/12 18:55 (UTC)

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Date: 14/10/12 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I'm waiting for an angel to bring me golden tablets that will tell me how to build an atom bomb, and special underwear to use after I find out I built it wrong.

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Date: 14/10/12 19:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
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Date: 14/10/12 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
One would assume nuclear physics fits into the need to know category......not least because understanding it has direct relevance to a potential conflict that's been just around the corner for the period since 2003 or whenever people need to bitch about a might be in the indefinite future instead of working out actual policy of substance.
Edited Date: 15/10/12 00:00 (UTC)

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Date: 14/10/12 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
I would like the president to at least be educated in some science facts and at the very least be respectful of both scientists and the scientific process.

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Date: 15/10/12 05:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
I agree with those that said great leadership has an open ear for great experts. But then we have experts at lying telling the leadership that UN weapons inspectors are all wrong and Iraq has WMD's. This gets us all in a whole heap of trouble. Better then having an amazing staff with varying expertise, it's best that great leadership is discerning.

Being discerning is a skill that takes a little bit of knowledge to properly utilize. If President is stupid enough to believe in the creation story (or the myths of Mormonism), then no amount of scientific advisors is going to aid great decision making. This makes for a bad president in my humblist opinion.

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Date: 15/10/12 17:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
There are many ways that this argument could be phrased that could effectively eliminate every politician ever from contention.

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Date: 15/10/12 18:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Actually the experts told the leadership Iraq did not have WMDs, which is why the Administration retaliated against them by doing things like disclosing covert status and engaging in knowingly fraudulent claims of Iraqi nuclear weapons programs when the CIA had told them no such program existed.

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Date: 15/10/12 15:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
Much as I'd love a scientist president, I'd settle for policy makers who RESPECT science. When the people charting the course for our nation believe that nearly every scientist in the world is part of some global lightbulb conspiracy, we've got serious problems.

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Date: 15/10/12 17:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
"Much as I'd love a scientist president"

Shit, lets have a scientist president

Maybe then the future can start looking a little more like The Jetsons.

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Date: 15/10/12 17:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I can see the survey from the other side of the fence. Here is a sample question:
1. Innovation and the Economy. God and religion have been responsible for over half of the growth of the U.S. economy since WWII, when the federal government first prioritized peacetime faith-based mobilization. But several recent reports question America’s continued leadership in these vital areas. What policies of faith promotion will best ensure that America remains a world leader in innovation?
Edited Date: 15/10/12 17:51 (UTC)

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Date: 15/10/12 20:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
I would rather have an intelligent person than a knowledgeable one as President. An intelligent person would understand the limits of their knowledge, a knowledgeable person might not.

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