Obama Wants to Make America More Like Sweden When Swedes Trying to Move in the Opposite Direction

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

Amazing American liberals-socialists are ready to follow their leader taking for granted all told by them. And it's dangerous if  47% are able most likely take for granted everything there leader saying beautifully even if it will ruin themselves. The significant example is the Obamacare. No one understands its gist, but all are it accepting.
The most dangerous from the Obamacare:

• It cuts $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it
• It has killed jobs because small businesses think it makes them less likely to hire people
• The Congressional Budget Office has said Obamacare will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. Private sector typically is able to provide a better product at a lower cost. So it's expensive. Expensive things hurt families.
• It puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have

For those who are of the opinion that "Socialism has worked reasonably well for Scandinavia. I say we go for it. Besides, universal health care is bitchin '!", I suggest a closer look at if that is really the case.

Comments

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

So an unaccountable corporate board deciding who lives and who dies is a better option?

[jonathankorman.livejournal.com]

Yes because they are accountable to the market, see? Companies will have to compete, so they will serve people better than government will. Think of how well people are served by airlines and mobile phone carriers.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

What jonathan says sarcastically, I say completely seriously.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Oh, but they're supposed to be accountable to their shareholders. Whether they'd account for anything is their own choosing, though.

[vitsli.livejournal.com]

So an unaccountable ministry official deciding who lives and who dies is a better option?

[kayjayuu.livejournal.com]

You can sue a corporation. Where do you go to get your government to cover you.

Oh wait, there's the UN...

[weswilson]

No, it isn't.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

So you're saying they're going to meet somewhere in the middle?

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3BTx5mwk-Y is oddly fitting here.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

It cuts $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it This is a lie, and you should be ashamed to push it.
It has killed jobs because small businesses think it makes them less likely to hire people Small businesses do not thing. Corporations are not people.
The Congressional Budget Office has said Obamacare will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. Private sector typically is able to provide a better product at a lower cost. So it's expensive. Expensive things hurt families. Medicare is far more efficient than private insurance.
It puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have This is also a lie.

Did you just take this from MItt Romney's top forty greatest hits? It's bullshit, all of it.

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

Romney is right. His victory in the debates confirmed it. Obama bowed his head.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Medicare is far more efficient than private insurance.

The depth of your delusion is amazing.

[msmichelle.livejournal.com]

I see examples and logic and fact here, but of course, the left leaning will refuse to acknowledge that. This has been my experience as well. Will take kool aid over facts that illustrate how badly Obama has done, and that even in the one successful Euro nation, fiction is not fact.
Romney takes these issues seriously, lays out fact, and the Obama supporters refuse to even look into what Obamacare entails for starters. It's pretty scary...the droan like state of mind.
Thanks to the OP for laying out these facts at any rate.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

If we actually had private health care, then we wouldn't be that far down in the rankings. Moving us towards even less private health isn't going to improve that.

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

Nicholas Kristof (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/opinion/kristof-why-let-the-rich-hoard-all-the-toys.html?_r=1) had an interesting point to make about the comparisons with Sweden:

On this issue, Americans seem by intuition to be flaming lefties. A study published last year by scholars from Harvard Business School and Duke University asked Americans which country they would rather live in — one with America’s wealth distribution or one with Sweden’s. But they weren’t labeled Sweden and America. It turned out that more than 90 percent of Americans preferred to live in a country with the Swedish distribution.

Perhaps nothing gets done because, in polls, Americans hugely underestimate the level of inequality here. Not only do we aspire to live in Sweden, but we think we already do.

A little less inequality may be more welcomed than you think. It isn't just Obama.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

I've been saying for a long time that Americans poll favorably on progressive issues, but those positions are not represented in politics.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

The funniest thing about the Medicare lie is the apparent GOP outrage about it. Weren't they TRYING to gut Medicare because it's a government-run program?

[awdrey-gore.livejournal.com]

Oh dear lord, there is a WSJ article written by a dude who is a member of the Moderate Party in Sweden, a party whose previous name was "National Organization of the Right" and therefore is in no way biased at all, and it proves the Swedish Model is flawed. Holy crap, thank you for linking to this! This changes everything!

Hopefully you know this is sarcasm and you are not in control of your bullshit.

Additionally, every fact you listed in your entry is a lie and if you don't know this, let me help you. Please consult this site (http://www.factcheck.org/) to see whether or not the things that you barf up in your future Red Scare entries have a grain of truth.

[devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com]

Do you have anything to offer other than old tired talking points (somewhat garbled) that you have gleaned from FoxNews?

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Do they have to? I mean, they previously said, and I quote, "I watch FOX because FOX's opinions are my opinions". Enough said, I think.

[general-denikin.livejournal.com]

€€€€€€€€€€The Congressional Budget Office has said Obamacare will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance.£££££££££

Try to prove your claiming by links. I read CBO calculated ~ 6% increase in premiums. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/04/how-obamacare-affects-health-plan-premiums/

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Links... what is that? Sounds delicious. (I hope it's some kind of sea food - like shrimps).

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


No.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Amazing American liberals-socialists are ready to follow their leader taking for granted all told by them.

I stopped reading there.

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

I apologize for the harshness of the expression. I will try next time to formulate my thoughts more harmoniously.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

The only part of this diatribe that was at least partially worth reading is the WSJ link at the end. And that says a lot.

[lai-choi-san.livejournal.com]

"The simple truth is that Sweden is not socialist. According to the World Values Survey and other similar studies, Sweden combines one of the highest degrees of individualism in the world, solid trust in well-functioning institutions, and a high degree of social cohesion."

Let's make it short : Sweden is not socialist but is ultimately socialist.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

TROLLING for the win!!

and mutiple usage of debunked falsehoods for bonus points!

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

And that's just Fox News

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

It looks that the community is controlled biased?
http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1573113.html?thread=126746617#t126746617 (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1573113.html?thread=126746617#t126746617)

This is the same as in authoritarian Russia, where only Putin is right, where the laws are working in one direction - from the Kremlin to the people.
Here's the examples how the presidential debates looked like in Russia (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B+%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B&oq=%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B+%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B). Without the participation of Putin! But he became the president, not discussed with anyone.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I told you to use the Mod Thread for queries to the staff, and yet you continue this drama.

It's simple. Don't insult people and you'll be fine.