America is leaning dangerously to the left

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

I've looked into the List of Governors of Georgia and drew attention to the party affiliation of the governors: our state had been traditionally Democratic from 1872 till 2003. To me it is an indication America is slipping into socialism and losing its roots. I think who was a former Democrat is now considered a Republican, but Democrats are becoming socialists.

Personal circumstances influence on democratic or republican beliefs. The psychologist Jonathan Haidt explains it very clearly.

Socialism is dangerous with its conditions for loss of morality. In today's America, I notice a lot of what was common in the Soviet Union. This is an  unsafe phenomenon that is gradually promoting the dissipation of moral roots originating from religion and the basic constitutional principles.

Some signs of immorality:

• Personal irresponsibility of the country's leader - 90% of the Deficit is Somebody Else's Fault

• The withholding of information about what happened in Benghazi

• The lies to please the electoral campaign - Obama will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election, the Obama administration to offer to cover legal fees in compensation challenges violating federal law

• The example of the country's leader making ​​fun of Fox News in his campaign speeches was followed by his supporters. I've met entirely inadequate comments on this. Only lazy guys have not shamed and gave advice what should I actually watch, listen and read. Here is no tolerance to a particular point of view. If would they only explained their opinion! But no, they've acted on principle - not looking, but condemning. It is amazing how people who have grown up in a free country are able to behave like the Soviet people, who had actively involved in the persecution of dissenters that the Communist Party organized.

• Perhaps the reason is the passing electoral campaign but it is indicative of aggressiveness of liberals who do not share other's views and how dangerous it is to be indifferent to the apparent evidences of their country’s disrespect.

America is leaning dangerously to the left.

Comments

[awdrey-gore.livejournal.com]

It's funny you should mention this because my car pulls dangerously to the left. I would have thought it needed realignment but perhaps my car is an immoral Socialist? It's a foreign model, so you never know...

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

Is it Lenin to the left or just Stalin?

[paft.livejournal.com]

Maybe it would help if you would explain exactly how you define "socialism."

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

Her definition would appear to be "anything to the left of Thatcher."

[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

Most people agree that the US is, if anything, at an extreme rightward point on the pendulum. Obama anywhere else in the world would be a center-right politician, and most Republican politicians would be far-right.

Are you really just pissed that the US isn't helping you tear down Putin?

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

It is accepted by both Democrats and Republicans that the majority of Americans are considered to be center-right. Obama called them the people who "cling to their guns and bibles". Many of these people remain silent during the election process, but they will vote and the results will be seen by all.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

Your concern for America is touching, if completely mistaken. Socialism is just like Sesame Street - learning how to share, to relate to your neighbors, while casting off the shackles of religion and 'traditional family values'.

Also, Why did Russia invade Georgia? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080812054739AA7nlx8)

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

/to your neighbors/
My neighbors are Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama. And Russia didn't invade our Georgia.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

[papasha-mueller.livejournal.com]

"America is leaning dangerously to the left"

How do you know that's danger in this 'leaning' and not fun and joy?

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Also, pink red unicorns.

[foolsguinea.livejournal.com]

We haven't drifted that far left. We have two parties that realigned, the GOP moving from moderate to radical right while the Democrats more or less stayed a mixed coalition. And the Democrats quite rightly blame the GOP for the national debt because the GOP actually caused it. The GOP are mostly just corrupt.

[general-denikin.livejournal.com]

Could you expand what means corrupt for you, please.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Dangerously to the left. Hhahah.

[general-denikin.livejournal.com]

I think this is a fallacy propagated by some Russian-American mass media.
I don't see any specific leaning toward socialism at this point of time in this country.
Barack just the regular democrat guy who are trying to fix mistakes previous government.
What I really dislike in him is his too warm relationship with the oppressive Russian ruling clique.

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

I find your position reasonable.

[muscadinegirl.livejournal.com]

If everyone could afford basic food, clothing, shelter and health care on the salaries they earn, there would be no need for this so-called "socialism."

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

I agree. But now people need jobs and government not create jobs. This is for private business.

[hey-its-michael.livejournal.com]

Well, if Georgia is electing Republicans, that surely means Democrats are socialists. That "logic" is flawless.

[op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com]

Considering that this is the sort of Republican they're electing these days, I dunno if she should be selling that point too hard (not that I should really talk either, given some of the prize idjits we end up with):

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/05/republican-science-is-all-lies/

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Don't worry that changes regularly

America's to the left to the right to the font, to the back and practically does the Cha Cha Slide year after year.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

Only never to the up. :-D

[hcastaigne.livejournal.com]

our state had been traditionally Democratic from 1872 till 2003

Yes, that was due to this little thing called Reconstruction, which caused the "Solid South" phenomenon, which you may learn about over at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South). The end of the Solid South was due to the successful conclusion of the Southern Strategy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)

but Democrats are becoming socialist

The truth of that statement depends on whether you are defining socialism by a conservative American viewpoint, or by the definition used by political science and the political world outside of the USA. By the latter, no. By the former, yes.

In today's America, I notice a lot of what was common in the Soviet Union.

Really. We have a Politburo, a KGB, and no free elections? All industry is owned and operated by the state? Private property rights are outlawed and all property is owned by the state? Your job is determined by the state?

Strange. I seem to have missed these things. I guess I have been too busy working.

Personal irresponsibility of the country's leader - 90% of the Deficit is Somebody Else's Fault

The deficit is the responsibility of Congress, not the Presidency, to fix. And not just one party or other in Congress; all of Congress. I'll hold Obama responsible for the deficit once he vetoes a budget bill that solves it, just as I would any other President.

The withholding of information about what happened in Benghazi

I personally think any information on the incident should remain classified until the War on Terror is concluded, so we must disagree on this.

The lies to please the electoral campaign - Obama will have "more flexibility" to deal with contentious issues like missile defense after the U.S. presidential election, the Obama administration to offer to cover legal fees in compensation challenges violating federal law

Obama will have more flexibility to deal with contentious issues after the election, though, assuming he wins. The Democratic Party is not going to throw their weight behind him previous to the election. That would sour deal-making possibilities and be politically stupid.

As for the offer to cover legal fees, there's nothing that violates the law in doing so. The Labor Department has the legal ability to do that, irrespective of our opinions on doing it. To wit: there's no law AGAINST it, so there's no law to violate.

The example of the country's leader making ​​fun of Fox News in his campaign speeches was followed by his supporters

You obviously haven't been in this country long, so let me introduce you to one of the traditions of free speech in the USA. We make fun of things here. Unlike the Russians, we don't get put in gulags for it.

Here is no tolerance to a particular point of view

There is no requirement for tolerance. I am a free citizen; others are free citizens. We are as tolerant as we wish to be or as intolerant as we wish to be. That is what freedom is all about.

If would they only explained their opinion!

No one is required to provide you any explanations whatsoever.

But no, they've acted on principle - not looking, but condemning.

It is their right to do so.

It is amazing how people who have grown up in a free country are able to behave like the Soviet people, who had actively involved in the persecution of dissenters that the Communist Party organized.

This is an inept analogy. You are comparing the free choice of American citizens to criticize or mock you with the KGB and gulags? So these American citizens have the power of government behind them?

Oh wait, they do not. Your analogy fails.

Perhaps the reason is the passing electoral campaign but it is indicative of aggressiveness of liberals who do not share other's views and how dangerous it is to be indifferent to the apparent evidences of their country’s disrespect.

It is our right as free American citizens to be respectful or disrespectful as we choose.

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

The good comment. A truly American way of thinking. You seem to be a cowboy, with all the armour including a hat and a gun ... :-)
Note only: The Labor Department has no the legal ability to do that. It's against the federal law.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Socialism is not what you think it is. Words have meanings, how you distort them has no reflection on those meanings. US Democrats aren't even European Social Democrats, and to distort the concept of socialist so far as to include them in it......Debs, Randolph, and Gompers would be rolling in their graves right about now.

Socialism is dangerous with its conditions for loss of morality. In today's America, I notice a lot of what was common in the Soviet Union.

^What do you think was common in the USSR that is happening in the USA now? I demand absolutely specific references. Do we have giant Freudian parades of weapons? Do we have a monolithic one-party dictatorship reliant on a secret police with vast slave labor camps to sustain itself? Do we have political parties seeking to be in every single aspect of life? Do we have people lining up in lines that stretch around for blocks waiting for a loaf of bread while heavy industry is doing just fine? Do US Presidents wear so many medals you wonder why they don't fall over or their clothes sag from the weight?

[general-denikin.livejournal.com]

I support your viewpoint. But you probably don't know about one bizzard issue. Almost all of the Russian immigrants think the same way regarding " Obama is pulling America into the quagmire of socialism" as the author does.
Why do you think they believe so?

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Socialism has worked reasonably well for Scandinavia. I say we go for it. Besides, universal health care is bitchin'!

[marina-herriott.livejournal.com]

/we go for it/
Why do not go for USSR?

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

You better update the definition of socialism on wikipedia to its new proper definition: Anything I disagree with.

[weswilson]

No, it isn't.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

1) 90% of the deficit IS someone else's fault.
2) There's no withholding going on.
3) That wasn't a lie.
4) FOX news deserves to be made fun of.
5) I don't know what this means, but I'm sure it's russian.

[fierceleaf.livejournal.com]

There is a bunch of socialists in comments :)

Socialism failed everywhere but in Scandinavia. But despite high taxes and famous welfare services they are essntially capitalist countries with low levels of regulation, nationalization and no protectionism.

I may be wrong or I've read too much libertarians, but socialism, in the sence of active interference in people's life by the government, seem to me to be really dangerous.

On the other hand, I'm probably ignorant about the situation in the US but it seems to me that Obama inhirited 99% of problems and there is no reasonable possibility to solve them all in a short term.

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

Look, lets be very clear about this.

Socialism is the public ownership of a factor of production.

This includes state companies, statutory authorities, and worker's cooperatives.

The former two are especially good at providing infrastructure with positive externalities, or limiting the effects of negative externalities (e.g., Pigouvian taxes).

The latter two in particular are quite successful business models. For example, just a few days ago it was shown that Employee-owned firms' shares outstrip FTSE companies (www.personneltoday.com/Articles/01/10/2012/58871/Employee-owned-firms39-shares-outstrip-FTSE-companies.htm).

As with most things, it's horses for courses. You use a particular business model appropriate to the circumstances.

[tcpip.livejournal.com]

To me it is an indication America is slipping into socialism and losing its roots.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. "
- Abraham Lincoln.

The guy was channelling Das Kapital and you think American is losing its roots?

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

This reply is a reason to love this forum.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

There's been no Left in America ever since its inception, to begin with. Its "left" is actually center, and its "right" is far-right by any non-American standard.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

But those are the standards of *foreigners*! You can't trust those standards. Foreigners use them. That would be like...like...using the metric system! Foolishness and madness!

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

How do I know you haven't been moving dangerously to the right, over the edge and into the abyss? Hmmm?

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Wow. Thanks for making a complete mockery of the far-right without any leftist actually needing to move a finger. What you can do to yourself, no one can do to you, eh?

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

There must always be a Steve-O on T_P!

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Oh, I got it. Having the lowest tax rates for the wealthy for the last, I don't know, gazillion years, now constitutes socialism.

The sad thing is, there are people among the Dems who are willing to budge under the pressure of this constant goalpost-shifting. The right has been pushing further into radicalism, and the left is trying to follow it there, for the sake of "fairness". The upside of this being that it engulfs more and more segments of society in the process, ones which weren't in its camp before. The downside is that it doesn't even realize that.

[root-fu.livejournal.com]

America is leaning dangerously to the left.

Democrats are becoming socialists.



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[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

Play fairly. Give the rest of us a ballot image to fill.