[identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
'Preachin' to the choir' is an old saying, that roughly translated means 'Telling people shit they already know'. It should be seen as an absurd action, but in the world of politics - no sense makes perfect sense.

For about the next 4 months, Barack Obama will travel the country speaking to crowds full of Democrats, and Mitt Romney will do the same - only with crowds full of Republicans.

To what end?

Is it to show appreciation? That may be the best answer, but consider the type of person who goes to a political rally - are they really going to change their mind without the rally?
Is it to fill the followers head with talking points they can recall in everyday political discussions? Maybe, but you could do the same thing with a bunch of mailouts.

Could Obama and Romney put aside their differences for a minute, and agree to switch arenas/town halls? I think that would be the easy part, compared to the other things that would have to fall in place.

Worst case - they lose time, but not votes

Best case - gaining votes might be an unrealistic goal, but those are the best kind

The hell do you think?

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Date: 20/6/12 21:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
Preaching to the choir is more like, telling people things they already agree with. Giving no reasons for disagreement, etc.

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Date: 20/6/12 21:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politikitty.livejournal.com
That's a false dichotomy.

Keeping the base happy is vital. Failing to rally your base loses donations, time and votes.

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Date: 21/6/12 02:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I think you're misestimating here.

The bulk of public appearances aren't really to supporters - they're to local groups, local businesses, etc. Most of those will not hit the national media , or will be mentioned in passing.

So if Mitt Romney is doing a speech to 2000 Republican supporters at 4pm in the afternoon somewhere, he's already hit a local diner, a local manufacturing planet, perhaps a school or senior center.

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Date: 22/6/12 00:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
a local manufacturing planet

I guess the next step after offshoring manufacturing would, logically, be offplaneting it.

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Date: 20/6/12 21:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
The way I see it, the purpose of the whole circus is to activate one's firm electorate, plus to gain some extra votes from among the moderates/undecided, if possible of course.

It's just beyond me the Euro guy why does this circus have to last for more than a couple of months. It's getting tiresome.

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Date: 20/6/12 23:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Summer tv programming goes into reruns so I guess the campaigning is a time-filler for the really bored. Yeah, I have no idea either - not like most of us didn't have our minds made up months ago.

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Date: 21/6/12 16:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Compared to the campaign in Afghanistan, it is reasonably short-lived.

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Date: 20/6/12 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Well, unfortunately one consequence of modern fragmentation of the media is that people wind up becoming so accustomed to the echo chamber effect that when they meet people who hold different views the shock can outweigh the actual differences that exist, in some cases, and grotesquely exaggerate real ones, in many more cases.

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Date: 20/6/12 21:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=6&ved=0CEsQtwIwBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flasharc.com%2Fbrt&ei=jEDiT9b9CIPm9ATmkI2GCA&usg=AFQjCNGOqzQ6MPTDu-hf3GyTz_RYnUf_nQ&sig2=twn8k1mcoPL01VVDhG3Vhw

Fast Forward to 37:00 mark.

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Date: 21/6/12 16:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Would it not be easier to use http://www.flasharc.com/brt (http://www.flasharc.com/brt)?

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Date: 21/6/12 00:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
Could Obama and Romney put aside their differences for a minute?

Like a juggling tap dancer could become the next American Idol.

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Date: 21/6/12 02:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
See circle jerk: A pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made.

Which - let's be honest - is a great definition for most political gatherings in general.

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Date: 21/6/12 03:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] musicpsych.livejournal.com
That would be interesting, to switch like that, but I don't know that the audience of either side would give a fair listen, or even act respectfully.

Some audiences probably are mixed, or at least have the less hardcore members of the opposite party. Even if you don't agree with him, it might be an interesting experience to see the President or would-be President speak.

And there may be some things they will talk about that will be new information, such as plans for the future. So it may not be all things that the audience already knows or necessarily agrees with.

Edit: And really, so much of a campaign is about creating and controlling positive media moments. I don't think either campaign would take the risk of having an event that could reflect negatively on the candidate.
Edited Date: 21/6/12 03:46 (UTC)

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Date: 21/6/12 15:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Put Obama in front of a Mitt crowd, and you'll end up with the hugely unhelpful, disruptive, and chaotic events that were last seen during the summer recess before the PPACA vote. Fact is that no amount of screening can make some people behave respectfully, on either side.

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Date: 21/6/12 16:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
The Secret Service would put the kibosh on Obama appearing in Romney country. They could not guarantee his safety. If Obama supporters were asked to attend a Romney event, they would prefer to stop at Starbucks for a latte instead.

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Date: 21/6/12 20:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Get Out The Vote!

Ya preach to the choir to make them sing.

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Date: 21/6/12 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
I guess it's to make sure that base doesn't switch over and vote for the other guy, or to make sure they get and vote. Also, whatever is spoken to them could be picked up by moderate voters thanks to the media anyways.

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Date: 22/6/12 02:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
It's a consequence of non-compulsory voting. So much energy is wasted "Getting out the vote" and "energising the base" when you could just make people obey their civil responsibility. You don't have to force people to vote, no one should ever know what goes on between you and your ballot paper, but they should be forced to take a ballot paper and put it in a box.

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Date: 22/6/12 02:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Moderates staying home is how you've wound up with the partisan shambles that is the US government.