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Rush Limbaugh on environmentalists and animals:

I mean it’s tough for you to get your arms around this, they really do believe that the primary problem the planet has is us. Humanity. The rest of all lifeforms on this planet are au natural. They are perfectly justified in being. They are unassailable in what they do and how they live, from a tree, to a snail-darter, to a lizard, to a shark, to a lion, to a tiger, they are the essence of perfection. You will never ever hear the environmentalist wackos criticize what lions do. Or criticize what parakeets do. Pick an animal…





Only one response to this is possible:





From the Talking Heads Album Fear of Music -- , “Animals”

They say they don't need money

They're living on nuts and berries

They say animals don't worry

You know animals are hairy?

They think they know what's best

They're making a fool of us

They ought to be more careful

They're setting a bad example…




Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

It’s barely worth a response, of course, but, for the record, last week we were at the Sydney Botanical gardens where my husband and I got to watch some “environmental wackos” catching flying foxes so they could figure out how to get a large flock of them to stop defoliating trees in the park.

(Just thought I’d gently work our recent visit to Australia into the conversation.)


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More advice from the talking heads ...

Date: 18/5/12 19:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] russj.livejournal.com
one of my favorites that addresses the same topic is
"Nothing But Flowers"



Here we stand
Like an Adam and an Eve
Waterfalls
The Garden of Eden
Two fools in love
So beautiful and strong
The birds in the trees
Are smiling upon them
From the age of the dinosaurs
Cars have run on gasoline
Where, where have they gone?
Now, it's nothing but flowers

There was a factory
Now there are mountains and rivers
you got it, you got it

We caught a rattlesnake
Now we got something for dinner
we got it, we got it

There was a shopping mall
Now it's all covered with flowers
you've got it, you've got it

If this is paradise
I wish I had a lawnmower
you've got it, you've got it

Years ago
I was an angry young man
I'd pretend
That I was a billboard
Standing tall
By the side of the road
I fell in love
With a beautiful highway
This used to be real estate
Now it's only fields and trees
Where, where is the town
Now, it's nothing but flowers
The highways and cars
Were sacrificed for agriculture
I thought that we'd start over
But I guess I was wrong

Once there were parking lots
Now it's a peaceful oasis
you got it, you got it

This was a Pizza Hut
Now it's all covered with daisies
you got it, you got it

I miss the honky tonks,
Dairy Queens, and 7-Elevens
you got it, you got it

And as things fell apart
Nobody paid much attention
you got it, you got it

I dream of cherry pies,
Candy bars, and chocolate chip cookies
you got it, you got it

We used to microwave
Now we just eat nuts and berries
you got it, you got it

This was a discount store,
Now it's turned into a cornfield
you got it, you got it

Don't leave me stranded here
I can't get used to this lifestyle

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Date: 18/5/12 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
OMG, your icon! Are you sure you're not the former mayor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavcho_Atanasov) of my city of Plovdiv, Slavcho Atanasov (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C2AFAB_enBG442BG455&q=%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%87%D0%BE+%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=643&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=b6S2T41Mkbr4BvqTxaEK)? X-D

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Date: 18/5/12 20:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
In a little painting community I sometimes attend on Wednesday I'm basically painting Rush's face on the body of a woman in response to his slut comment.

True Story

Might post it up here when it's done

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Date: 18/5/12 20:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
The comment about humans being the only problem isn't entirely true either, there is such a thing as an evasive species you know...

Humans are just the species that has the ability to make a conscious change to fix or destroy the environment.

Who doesn't believe in adaptation? That sounds an awful lot like a conservative...
Edited Date: 18/5/12 20:52 (UTC)

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Date: 18/5/12 20:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Most species tend to be evasive.

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Date: 18/5/12 20:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Further refuting his point...

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Date: 18/5/12 21:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
They are quite hard to catch.

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Date: 18/5/12 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
It helps to have "Yargle" and "Bargle" filters on

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Date: 18/5/12 21:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Sounds like a semantic problem. When you hear "environmentalist wacko", you interpret that to mean "all people concerned about the environment", which is a patently false interpretation. Have fun with your strawman though.

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Date: 19/5/12 09:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Yes, there are some that work there. And?

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Date: 19/5/12 23:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
No, it doesn't. You're making that wider coverage that his statement doesn't address.

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Date: 18/5/12 21:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
the use of "environmentalist wacko" is a strawman

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Date: 19/5/12 09:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Could be, but I'm not on a LImbaugh forum calling him out at the moment.

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Date: 18/5/12 22:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
What's fun is that we could entirely concede Limbaugh's point here. Sure - let's say that we shouldn't regard human industrial activity any differently than we'd treat the predatory habits of lions or the natural habits of any other species. It doesn't follow from this that we shouldn't do anything about its ramifications, any more than it means that we shouldn't do anything about the spread of diseases or invasive species, the extinction of species (that are "worth saving," let's stipulate), the population growth of "pest" species, the harmful effects (on humans, let's stipulate) of expanding human communities further into unsettled areas, etc. If the only appropriate response to the extinction of the snail darter is, "Oh, who cares?", maybe we should adopt the same attitude to malaria.

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Date: 19/5/12 09:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
It doesn't follow from this that we shouldn't do anything about its ramifications

Good thing that that isn't the complaint then.

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Date: 19/5/12 15:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
Okay, so what was the complaint, then? Are you saying that Limbaugh agrees with the environmentalists about what we should do about the environmental consequences of human activity, but disagrees with the presumed rationale behind doing so?

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Date: 19/5/12 23:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
The complaint is they really do believe that the primary problem the planet has is us. Those people who act as if they believe that people are bad for the planet but all other animals are good are the ones being specifically called out. This post doesn't bring up any wider set of environmentalists or environmental policies.

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Date: 19/5/12 20:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Yes, I can see the benefit of flinging poo and ripping off faces and limbs like chimpanzees do.........no, not really. In fact environmentalists have written books to demonize traits of chimpanzees they share in common with humans.......

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Date: 19/5/12 21:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Demonic Males, Frans De Waal's books that paint Common Chimpanzees as savage brutes based more on captive chimpanzees than the in all probability extinct in this century wild ones, Before the Dawn. People have taken that humans share with common chimps mass, lethal group violence and systems run by males and claimed that this is a sign of the evil nature of Man and Chimp, while transforming Bonobos into things they really never were or are.

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