[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
With Rick Santorum out of the race, we're starting to see things coming together. And by "things" I mean "Republican voters," and by "coming together," I mean "unifying behind a candidate." Gallup started its daily tracking this week, and 90% of Republicans are behind Romney now, mirroring the 90% of Democrats behind Obama up to this point. The overall poll has Romney +4 among registered voters, which means (if history is an indicator) that Romney is even better among likely voters. This polling holds up, as well - Rasmussen's daily tracker of likely voters has Romney +4, CBS/NYT polling of registered voters has a tie, so this isn't a surprise. There is an outlier poll of CNN which samples Democrats at +11, something that didn't even happen in 2008, but the post-primary polling is essentially nothing but good news for Romney, especially given the predictions by some that the party wouldn't unify.

Also telling? Gallup is showing a commanding lead for Romney among independents, a key political group this go 'round, and one many thought Romney would struggle with. Gallup's poll shows Romney +4 with 12% undecided - there's little reason for the majority of that 12% to break toward Obama at this stage.

One thing that Obama does have going for him currently is his continued advantage among women voters. It's not clear as to whether it's based on the contraceptive mandate, given most voters in the same poll don't even know where Romney stands on the matter, but more based on the media harping on the topic du jour 7 months out. Ramesh Ponnuru details a good point regarding the perception of the female vote:

Ruth Marcus of the Washington Post recently fell prey to this conventional wisdom, writing that “the GOP has suffered from a gender gap in every presidential election since 1980.” Suffered? Of the eight presidential elections from 1980 to 2008, Republicans won five (four if you exclude 2000). Republicans carried women, albeit narrowly, three times; Democrats carried men twice. Republicans can lose even while winning men, as in 1996. Democrats can lose while winning women, as in 2004.

The evidence suggests that women are more inclined than men to vote for Democrats, but this gap doesn’t consistently help either party. It isn’t the case that the larger the gender gap, the worse Republicans do. Republicans did seven points better among men than women in 2004, when they won. They did five points better in 2008, when they lost.


It's unlikely to come down to whatever the Democrats decide to throw at Mitt Romney on social issues anyway, however: Pew's survey of registered voters took a look at what voters care about, and the top four responses are the economy, jobs, budget deficit, and health care - none of which are winning issues for Obama currently thanks to the economic news, the ballooning debt, and the Supreme Court hearings. The bottom three issues? Gay marriage, birth control, and abortion - two of which are issues that Obama and the Democrats have been pummeling the Republicans on. Granted, with Obama's record on the top issues, it's in his best interests to place the focus on something else, but to have such a sustained focus on the issues the electorate cares about the least?

And yes, the economy is looking ragged. The March jobs report was slow, after a few good months that even had me believing we might be out of the woods. Manufacturing production and housing? Also down. With gas prices still rising, things aren't looking great economically right now, and the economy is the one thing Obama really needed to turn around for the sake of his reelect numbers.

The only data point we're missing currently is state-by-state breakdowns. A lot of the polling is old, especially for key swing states such as Pennsylvania, and the old polling doesn't reflect the party unity that the Republicans are now enjoying. Those numbers have been shown to be good for Obama, but required a wait-and-see approach with the split GOP field in mind. We do, however, have Rasmussen's generic Congressional ballot, which shows a 10 point lead for Republicans among likely voters. If the GOP is in dire straits on a whole, if the brand is wounded or slowed following the massive 2010 gains, that is not being reflected in the polling currently, and we might actually see some further improvements in their numbers beyond regaining the Senate.

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Date: 18/4/12 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Grrr, cut-slackers omg!

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Date: 19/4/12 02:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
And I thought he was such a fan of the LJ spoiler to be used for a cut. I know I use and really like it because it is so portable from my personal account to here.

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Date: 18/4/12 20:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
You're right. The economy is looking doomed. If Obama wins, it'll go down in flames. BUT! If Romney wins, everything will be all right.

Romney 2012!

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Date: 18/4/12 21:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I wish things could work so simply... /dreams/

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Date: 18/4/12 21:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
BUT! If Romney wins,

Not if. When.

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Date: 18/4/12 22:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
YAY! If Romney wins, we'll all be farting rainbows!

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Date: 18/4/12 21:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
So this time next year Democrats will suddenly have principles.
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Date: 19/4/12 04:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

much like they republicans have when it comes to the national debt

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Date: 18/4/12 21:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
These results don't seem to tell me it's an uphill battle for Obama as much as it does that the two candidates are currently fairly even.

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Date: 18/4/12 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
"The GOP is a lost cause, it's the rest of us I am worried about" - Tyrion
Edited Date: 18/4/12 21:35 (UTC)

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Date: 18/4/12 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com
Pew has Obama up 49 to 45%. Gallup has Romney up by 2 not 4. Rasmussen has Romney up by 4(and incidentally was one of the worst polling outfits of 2010) and Obama is up by 11 in the CNN poll. Wanna take an average and see who is up? Obama at 47.5% Romney at 45.5% It's almost as if you're intentionally cherry picking data to fit your "Long uphill battle for Obama" theme. I'd be following job approval numbers this early in the race to get a good read on things. Obama's numbers haven't really moved.

I find it also telling that you completely ignore Mitt Romney's record breaking negative likability numbers.

Just as an aside on the economic front. First off gas prices are just as likely peaked as they are to continue rising and no one expects them to rise much higher than they already are and come election time they definitely will be on a downward trajectory. Furthermore gas prices are in large part driven by the demand of a growing economy, so when you say that the economy is teetering out and> gas prices are going to continue to rise, pardon me as I remain skeptical of your assertion.

By the way you forget your tag.

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Date: 18/4/12 22:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/vp/47081413#47081413

As Colbert said "It's finally happened. America has fallen in love with the idea of liking Mitt Romney. And they can have enough of him."

There is an interesting number about voters being asked who they expect to win? It's a huge one for Obama. That's a bad thing for the Romney campaign.

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Date: 18/4/12 21:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Alternate title: Jeff's Wet Dream :P

Seriously, though, last I heard Obama was doing better than Romney in the nine swing states. As long as he can hold those, that's all that matters here. And honestly, now that all the crackpots are out of the race, I don't care who wins. Romney will lead from the center-right like Obama. My only concerns about Romney are his billionaire status and his belonging to a cult. Other than that, he's just another Obama.

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Date: 18/4/12 21:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Eh who cares, whoever wins the one thing we can be guaranteed of is 4 more years of Bush style corporatism pointless wars and expansion of the police state.

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Date: 18/4/12 21:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
The free market of clientelism, baby.

We're mocking Russia for their oligarchocracy (sic?), but are we sure the differences are that many?

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Date: 18/4/12 23:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Yeah well you think Obama is bad at that, the Republicans don't even pretend that should be avoided.

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Date: 18/4/12 23:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] existentme.livejournal.com
Yes, def. Some things are far less fallible than polls, after all.

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Date: 18/4/12 23:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
... given most voters in the same poll don't even know where Romney stands on the matter, but more based on the media harping on the topic du jour 7 months out.

The more women find out about where Romney stands on reproductive rights, the less likely they are to support him. And that issue isn't going away. It's sort of.. visceral.

the top four responses are the economy, jobs, budget deficit, and health care - none of which are winning issues for Obama

I suspect that they are, actually.

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Date: 19/4/12 00:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
At least Romney can say he implemented Obamacare before it was popular.

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Date: 19/4/12 01:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hikarugenji.livejournal.com
Pew's survey of registered voters took a look at what voters care about, and the top four responses are the economy, jobs, budget deficit, and health care - none of which are winning issues for Obama currently thanks to the economic news, the ballooning debt, and the Supreme Court hearings

From what I've seen, Romney has nothing to say about the economy except the usual "make rich people richer and hope the other 99% benefit" line that the Republicans always have. The President is somewhat limited in what he can do for or against the economy, and even if I didn't necessary like Obama's handling of the economic issues, that doesn't mean I would gravitate to trickle-down supply-side.

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Date: 19/4/12 02:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Jeff seems to think it's patently obvious that people would rather try out Romney's theories of economics just using the evidence of current economic indicators. I can't figure out why he can't grasp that people would rather go with Obama's "botched job" than risking even worse with Romney.

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