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This current economic crisis has indeed claimed its first casualties. Millions out of work, houses too expensive to occupy but worth nothing since they're underwater on the debt that financed them and the banks in too precarious a position to forgive the loans (or so they claim). Without incurring further debt, we will continue to have a stalled or broken economy; but since the current raft of leading economists fail to see debt as it is and chose to see it as an inconsequential element, no one is talking about these factors.

In fact, I'm not going to talk about these factors today either. I'm going to rant about what people blame are the factors to our economic funk but actually aren't: Taxes. Fact: We in the United States today pay very little in taxes compared to past years of prosperity, especially those of us who make what most would technically refer to a shitload of cash. Follow-up fact: All many of us can do is bitch about how are taxes are not historically low, but too high.

When the so-called media joins in the chorus of hallucination and mendacity, though, it's time to call them on their complicity.




For simplicity's sake, I'll pick on just two examples of supposedly left-leaning media, both from a supposedly left-leaning outlet, our beloved Public Broadcasting Corporation. The first is probably the most popular PRI show out there, This American Life out of WBEZ in Chicago. The episode to which I've linked offers three "stories" of tax revolters. There are the folks in Colorado Springs who wouldn't pony up with an increase in taxes and now have to directly pay the power bill to keep their street lights on. Rather than actually add up how much the tax increase would be compared to paying directly for light, these people seem happy (according to the piece) to pay directly, since taxes be bad and all that.

Heck, the story focuses on a luxury hotel owner who thinks a city should be run like his establishment. No, no delusion there. Moving on.

It's the middle story I feel should get the most scrutiny, though. Grover Norquist sits down with Ira Glass and tells him, after Mr. Glass asked nicely, that one way to "cut" government expense is to shift from a pension-based retirement system to a 401(k) private account system. Ah, but like paying for the street lights in Colorado, would the taxpayers actually save money?

No.

PBS's Frontline addressed this very question in its show a few years ago, Can You Afford to Retire? (Link to a transcript of the show.) First of all, it turns out the 401(k) program was never designed as a retirement funding instrument. It was passed as a tax dodge for hiding excessive executive income in in 1978. (See Part 4 of the show online.) A court decision later ruled that simple employee wages counted under the terms of the legislation, allowing companies to use employer contributions as deductions.

So, is Norquist right? Will these funds keep people solvent in their later years and reduce the size of government?

No on both counts. From the Frontline transcript:

HEDRICK SMITH:. . . Back at that workshop in Nebraska, I had learned that Nebraska had 40 years of experience with a 401(k)-style defined contribution plan for state employees.

Nebraska is a unique laboratory. For 40 years, it has run two different kinds of retirement plans side by side, some employees, covered by the traditional lifetime pensions, others by a 401(k)-style defined contribution plan. Both were top-notch plans, with mandatory participation and contribution levels, and a 7 percent employer match. But the state was still concerned.

ANNA SULLIVAN, Dir., Neb. Retirement System: The state legislature commissioned what is called a benefit adequacy study. They wanted to have a consultant look at all of the plans and determine the adequacy of the benefit that the state was providing.

HEDRICK SMITH: The study showed that lifetime pension plans, with professionally managed investments, did far better for employees than the 401(k)-style defined contribution plan.

ANNA SULLIVAN: We've had experience since the mid-'60s, and the people retiring from our defined contribution plan do not have the kind of an account balanceĀ­ which is basically what a defined contribution plan gives them, an account balanceĀ­ it isn't sufficient for them to live on in retirement. It's just not adequate.

HEDRICK SMITH: [on camera] Forty years hasn't done the trick. It's not a matter of time.

ANNA SULLIVAN: I don't believe it's a matter of time. I believe it's a matter of understanding what it takes for the employee to take a hold of this and utilize it and earn the kind of return that they need to have. You're talking people who are not investment professionals.

HEDRICK SMITH: [voice-over] After the study, Nebraska ended its 401(k)-style plan for new employees and allowed old 401(k) participants to shift to the lifetime pension plan.

ANNA SULLIVAN: There's nothing wrong with the traditional defined benefit plan. It works, if it's done right.

(I emphasized the emphasizable.)


Did you get that? The traditional pension plan cost the state exactly the same amount, yet delivers better retirement funding. Better funding means fewer people in dire straits later in life when their reduced earning power makes financial dire straits especially worrisome.

I'm going to assume, as a PBS employee himself, that Mr. Ira Glass knew about the Frontline piece. Why, then, would he simply mention Mr. Norquist's strange obsession about the bad ol' "expensive" pensions and not offer that bit of long-term study from Nebraska? To not mention it, even after the interview, seems amazingly suspicious to me.

It's as if Mr. Glass didn't seem to feel Mr. Norguist needed to have his specious ideological spew debunked.

When reporters turn a blind eye to corporate raiding (as 401(k) programs are, given that huge amounts are invested privately in programs, again, designed only as tax dodges), we find the first sign of a coming collapse. Those who can are taking what they can from people who ought to be warned, but aren't.




The second bit of quite un-liberal spew from a supposedly liberal organization comes, yet again, from that most ironically named of shows, Planet Money. Robert Smith (who also reported on the Colorado Springs piece in the TAL show) tries to learn what the IRS can learn from the Mormon church. I'll save you some queasy-inducing moments and sum up. The lesson is that the Mormons are a flat-tax org. "Tithing" is giving ten percent of your earnings to the church.

What got me is not a focus on a tithing organization. Big whoop. I was more amazed at how little scrutiny the concept of a flat tax got in the show as a way to fund a government. No talk about how amazingly regressive such taxes are, tending over time to concentrate money in the hands of the upper earning echelons of any society that tries it. Hong Kong, for example, at one point had a nice flat tax. It also had an enormous number of people begging in the streets and crammed in one of the most dense cities in the world.

It also had, according to my Hong Kong college roomie, the greatest per capita concentration of Rolls Royces in the world.

But no, Mr. Smith did not address this inconvenient fact. The entire episode was him interviewing a neo-classical economist (who happened to be Mormon) about a taxation scheme that would "simplify" our country, not crank our country's already amazing gap between the very rich and the very poor to, as Nigel from Spinal Tap would say, to 11.

When reporters turn a blind eye to wealth-concentrating taxation schemes by not mentioning the inconvenient down-sides to such schemes, thus enabling proponents of such schema to tout their pet "reforms" in the public sphere without incurring the wrath and ridicule they rightly deserve, another sign of coming collapse has just been witnessed.




What has driven these "liberal" outlets to such depravities? It could be the ads. TAL now pushes online services and strange-looking cars on its shows; Planet Money currently introduces each episode with support for a bank. Gosh and golly, there couldn't be any conflict of interest in that, could there?!? Given the profits banks reap even given their misdeeds, this might be the deepest cut to reporting integrity of all.

It could be the very accusation of "librul"-ism. By avoiding being liberal, in economic theory or just about anything, they keep the well-oiled propagandists at temporary bay, especially those in Congress.

I remember a progressive PBS. It was fun. It's also quite gone, thank you very much. With very, very rare exception, if the viewpoint conflicts with the business plan of a big enough donor, or the hare-brained schemes of the CEO of a donor (*cough* Koch Bros *cough*), you won't hear about the truly paradigm-changing aspects of any given topic on PBS.

I guess a greater reason to be outraged is not the lack of actual reporting or fairness to the issue demonstrated here. It's how little outrage others seem to be exhibiting. This kind of slant to the stories have become so very common that few question it. After all, let's remember how money is actually created. Can anyone out there remember seeing this explained on the news? Anyone?

Anyone?

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Date: 22/3/12 03:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
A good post. People talk about all the money we'll save if we cut things like social security when they don't realize that removing purchasing power from the retired depresses the economy, and thus less tax revenue, and thus you're not saving all that much money.
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Date: 22/3/12 18:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebra24.livejournal.com
Each dollar that you pay in SS steal couple of dollars from the economy first.

Each tax dollar I pay decreases my purchase power.

Each new dollar bill printed by Bernanke decreases dollar's purchasing power.

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Date: 22/3/12 04:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
I'm really growing to appreciate your posts.

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Date: 23/3/12 15:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
Indeed. Peri has the big throbbing braynz.

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Date: 22/3/12 04:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
the story focuses on a luxury hotel owner who thinks a city should be run like his establishment. No, no delusion there. Moving on.

No, don't move on. Explain what's delusional about it.

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Date: 22/3/12 04:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
There's nothing wrong with the traditional defined benefit plan. It works, if it's done right.

The big "if" is the major problem. Also, what 401(k) plans aren't professionally managed? What's the actual difference between these two, from the investment standpoint?

given that huge amounts are invested privately in programs, again, designed only as tax dodges

First, why is that a given. Second, that seems to only matter to the companies when dealing with their taxes. How does it affect the employee when it's the same amount of money in their account?

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Date: 22/3/12 07:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
[Tips hat.]
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Date: 22/3/12 08:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
Interesting post, and I agree. I don't think there are any tv-documentary series I've seen in the US that don't have bank or corporate agendas.

As a side note to the Colorado Springs program I just want to emphasize that the citizens of CO Springs are not particularly happy. I go there semi regularly (every second month or so) and have friends there, and it's a very illustrative example of a former libertarian "paradise" gone bad. Several parts in town without street lights, public bus transportation completely cut back, no trash collection in large parts of town (including many parks), no public pool anymore and an abhorrent school system. They also have uncommonly big class gaps for such a moderately sized community, with a lot of problem families and drug abuse.

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Date: 22/3/12 19:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebra24.livejournal.com
What kind of "libertarian" it really is?

F.e. what is summary tax rate?
Including Income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes and other fees.


*Several parts in town without street lights*
If they don't want to pay for it, why it is BAD? Economy is bad, why you want to warm up streets with taxpayers money?

Same question regarding public buses and trash collection, including public pools (assuming they are private now).

In my city I should pay for my "public" pool twice - once from the taxes, another when I come into it.
I would prefer to pay it directly - as often as I need, and to know exact pricing when I am paying.

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Date: 22/3/12 12:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stephenp.livejournal.com
Canada.

/that is all.

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Date: 22/3/12 15:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Is it just me or does very concept of running the United States like a luxury hotel suggests that living in the United States is an indulgence rather than a necessity? Some people in the United States live where they are because they have to, there's no easy option of packing up and moving out and not everyone here has a summer retreat in Bermuda.
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Date: 22/3/12 19:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
So you are opposed to pensions, and feel that they are so burdensome to business, they should be eliminated today in favor of 401-k, an instrument not really designed for retirement?

According to my spouse, who is an actuary for one of the Top 3 accounting firms and who is one of the top 5 experts worldwide in pension fund management wanted me to point out these facts:

1. Pension funds fail for two main reasons. The first is because the industry is antiquated and not the force in the economy it once was. Obsolete companies tend to do poorly. The 2nd, especially with 'teamster' or 'government' style were merely victims of boom/bust. (wise investing lead to fattened cash reserves, which results in demands by the contributors to increase the benefit, which, by law, they had to do. Conversely, when big companies swallow smaller ones, they also absorb the liabilities of the retirement programs. Its just an accepted cost of doing business in the M&A industry.

2. The reason pensions outperform 401(k) plans, especially in the Nebraska example, is simply due to the difference in risk taken by the manager of the account. Individuals, who have a smaller pool of money to allocate, tend to be more conservative and less savvy about investments than professional money managers. Professional pension fund managers, on the other hand, are more averse to taking risk, which can result, obviously, in better portfolio performance. They also have a bigger pool of money to work with, which is, as I am sure you agree, an advantage in the money markets.

So why do you feel it is more important for individuals to manage their retirement investment than professionals who, by the way, the entire financial services sector experts agree, as well as actuaries worldwide, that given equal management costs, pensions will always outperform individually managed programs.
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Date: 22/3/12 22:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-s3ntinel.livejournal.com
>If Person A with a 401(k) pays out less then it necessarily costs them less, either that or they made worse investments.

Or, they got charged investment management fees of ~ 1% per year, which over a person's working lifetime makes a very sizeable difference.

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Date: 22/3/12 19:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politikitty.livejournal.com
Taxes are not historically low once you take into account all levels of taxation:

Image

I'm all for saying that we should have higher taxes. And that we should demand a higher standard of living than we had in the past, and our current rate of innovation and progress is something that should be cause for national concern. But I am very annoyed at the left's insistence that the past was every that much greater.

Social Security was created because most seniors were dying in poverty. The urbanization of the 1900's ended the easy ability for seniors to move in with their adult children to live out their last years. Most people did not have retirement, and even when they did, it was a relatively short time between the end of their working career and their death.

Health insurance didn't exist. And in the seventies, it certainly didn't provide for the most expensive treatments (many of which didn't even exist them), much less general wellness or mental health care.

Income mobility has always been an issue, and there's no evidence that the gap is widening. The only demographic that has been hurt by the last century is uneducated unmarried white males. And while that is of some concern, you have to wonder if that is simply evidence of some slow movement towards equalization between whites and minorities.

That's not to say that the job is done. I would easily say there's more to be done for the American people. But seriously. The rose-colored glasses don't help anyone's cause.

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Date: 22/3/12 20:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
your chart is spiffy, but we have no idea what it represents, other an a parallel of taxes to the increase in the value of the economy, over time.

Instead of dollars, look at percentages of income. If this chart show such a thing, it's in Greek.

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Date: 22/3/12 21:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebra24.livejournal.com
** a supposedly liberal organization **

So it is expected to be biased... Nice.

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Date: 22/3/12 21:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebra24.livejournal.com
**It also had an enormous number of people begging in the streets and crammed in one of the most dense cities in the world.**
Help them find a job, and earn the money. Use your money and luck, create private sector jobs for them. Don't give them a fish, teach them how to fish.

This is how it works.

If they happy to beg for a money - it is their choice.
Wealthy citizens can think about providing simple food for them if they think they deserve it.

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