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From Statepress:

Arizona House Bill 2625, authored by Majority Whip Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, would permit employers to ask their employees for proof of medical prescription if they seek contraceptives for non-reproductive purposes, such as hormone control or acne treatment.


‘I believe we live in America. We don’t live in the Soviet Union,’ Lesko said. ‘So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom and pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs.’


Jezebel points out that Arizona is an “at will” state. This means that bosses in Arizona will be able to fire women for being depraved enough to take birth control pills to prevent pregnancy.

As we all know, what made the Soviet Union infamous were not the gulags, its treatment of dissidents, and the rigid control over the press, but the fact that women could take pills for the purpose of contraception without fear of losing their jobs over it.

Yes, here it is -- the right wing's idea of "freedom" is a society where a woman has to ask her boss' permission to use oral contraceptives.

Does anyone else find this more than a little weird?

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 14/3/12 18:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Well, it seems obvious that the GOP won't be deterred from their whole "Let's tell Wimmin what to do" strategy that is working so well in other places.

NO WHORE PILLS FOR YOU!

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Date: 14/3/12 18:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
This is definitely edging past the limits of the "free exercise" argument (as flawed as that is) and going directly to punishing people for taking birth control for contraception.

I'll be honest, I had no idea that there were this many people who had any opinion at all about contraception. Who elects these people>

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Date: 14/3/12 18:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
It's more than a little weird, and it's not going to go anywhere.

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Date: 14/3/12 18:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
It must be weird being an employer and having these helpful legislators do things you never asked.

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Date: 14/3/12 19:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] its-anya.livejournal.com
I'm not surprised that the balance of power is so much in favour of employers with regards to this legislation, but what does surprise me is that there is no powerful Labour movement to counter it. :/

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Date: 14/3/12 19:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vehemencet-t.livejournal.com
I just don't understand why the employer would have any knowledge or involvement in the woman's use of contraceptives, and hence any say in the matter. Does she have to go through it to get them? How would they even know?

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Date: 14/3/12 19:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
It's... it's like they want to lose elections. It's like watching a train wreck.

This is almost as loony as that law that banned foods that contained human fetuses.

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Date: 14/3/12 20:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
I'll post a quote I read on the SA forums.

"I believe that in a society with things such as free universal health care and guaranteed retirement income, humans will be much more free to make 'rational' decisions. Finances and health, in my opinion, are two of the greatest emotional factors at play in human decision making. It seems natural in my mind that philosophies which rely on rational action would desire to eliminate the sources of emotional stress in human action. " - archangelwar

Shaming women for being responsible seems like it would impede their decision-making and make them far less likely to make rational decisions.

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Date: 14/3/12 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/596074

Youve conveniently misinterpreted the provisions. Nothing in there mandates they give their medical records to the employer. The "corporation" in the text is the insurer, not the employer.

Here's a tip, if it's reported on Kos, treat it like a wiki article and do the basic research yourself first.

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Date: 14/3/12 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Meanwhile the real USSR outlawed abortion as a capitalist deviancy and made homosexuality a capital crime. By Fundamentalist Christian standards, the USSR was actually their ideal of moral and god-fearing in practice. It even banned idiotic damn fool critiques and free speech that slammed its military and government. Yea, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was the very beau ideal of the modern-day US reactionary.

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Date: 14/3/12 20:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Well shoot if that was the worst the Soviets had to offer why did everyone much such a freaking big deal over it.
And when I mean big deal I mean threaten to blow the planet up throughout much of the 20th century of course...

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Date: 14/3/12 20:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Women couldn't take pills for the purposes of contraception in the Soviet Union. Not only was it considered reactionary and decadent (like homosexuality) it was also almost impossible to obtain.

So, yeah, their position on abortion and contraception was actually the worst thing about the Soviet Union. The absolute worst thing.

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Date: 14/3/12 22:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] korean-guy-01.livejournal.com
So wait, women will not be free to buy birth control with their own money?

In Soviet Union, point misses you!

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Date: 14/3/12 23:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com
"Does anyone else find this more than a little weird?"

Not weird at all. Seriously, what did you expect from the GOP? "Hypocritical" is the word I'd have chosen.
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Date: 15/3/12 10:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
Yes, here it is -- the right wing's idea of "freedom" is a society where a woman has to ask her boss' permission to use oral contraceptives. -- Could you point out where that's mentioned in the article, that a woman has to ask her employer for permission before using oral contraceptives?

What the article is talking about is legislation that would allow an employer in charge of a private business to determine whether or not oral contraceptives for reproductive purposes would be covered by their company insurance policy. If the company insurance policy doesn't cover oral contraception except for non-reproductive purposes, female employees can still obtain it even if they're low income (Title X) and can still use it.

Also (and I'm not sure if this has changed since Obamacare -- maybe someone can verify for me), but no one is ever forced to get health care through their employer. I'm sure if a woman is dissatisfied with the insurance plans offered by her employer, she can opt-out and purchase insurance or even just a prescription plan on her own.
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Date: 15/3/12 15:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
The next thing will be proof of marriage before renting a room together.

This confirms an observation I made a while ago about conservatives: they are not truly conservative because the only object they seek to conserve is despotism.

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Date: 15/3/12 21:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
The GOP is threatening the renewal against the "Violence Against Women Act" because it now offers protection for same-sex couples, native americans, and illegal immigrants. AHAHAHAHAHAHAH 100% woman vote for Obama, let's do this