5 reasons to love Russia

[asket-klim.livejournal.com]

Empire of evil, countrey of bear and vodka -- its names of Russia in USA. Cold war is over, but american people still hate my country. Why? One of my friend (when we was in gym class) sad that USA people loves Rambo and Rocky 4. We love it too! But not because USSR was beaten in this films -- we love it because Stallone was young.

I spend 3 hours to make a list of reasons to love Russia. It adressed to USA. I hope this video will be next (litlle) step to triumph of friendship!

Comments

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

'Georgia first sent troops into South Ossetia. '

South Ossetia is a province of Georgia. It's okay for a country to have their own troops in their own country. Is Russia invading Moscow?. Should the US have invaded Russia when Russia sent troops into Grozny?

'Georgian forces shelled Tskhinvali.'

Yes, Georgia used force on Russian separatists who were trying to take over the city. Ironically, Russia also opened fire in the city... on Georgian forces.

A Russian soldier was incidentally killed because he was in the wrong place in the wrong time. Further Russian soldiers were killed because that's what happens when you invade a country.

If a US soldier traveling through Moscow gets shot by Russian police while shooting at a gunman running through an airport, would you support the US invading Moscow? It's the exact same thing.

The Kremlin wanted to annex SO so they put Russian soldiers in the country and waited for one to get killed to justify an invasion.

The claims of Georgia killing civilians on purpose as part of genocide, so far, has been shown to be a hoax by the Kremlin as nobody anywhere outside of the Kremlin could verify any claims.

The sad thing i that Russia is doing the same thing with Ukraine.

[pofigistiks.livejournal.com]

In 1989, the South Ossetian Autonomous Region proclaimed an autonomous republic, and a year later - declared its sovereignty.
January 19, 1992 in South Ossetia held a referendum on "independence of state and (or) reunification with North Ossetia." Most voted in the referendum supported the proposal

June 24, 1992 was signed Dagomys agreement on the principles of conflict resolution. Dagomys agreements provided for the creation of a special body for the settlement of the conflict - the Joint Control Commission (JCC) of representatives of four parties - Georgia, South Ossetia, Russia and North Ossetia.
In Tskhinvali, was placed on the OSCE observer mission.

By the way.
Precedent: February 17, 2008 Kosovo and Metohija declared independence from Serbia, the next day his admitted a number of countries including the United States.

It all began on the night of August 8 (00.15 GMT) Georgian forces shelled Tskhinvali from the rocket launchers "Grad", and in 03.30 began to storm the city with tanks.

South Ossetia - an independent country.
Russian troops were stationed there as peacekeepers there with the consent of the Government of South Ossetia.
Georgia - the aggressor.

All the rest are your comparisons are baseless.


P.S.
Ukraine should enter into a common economic space with Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.

P.P.S.
Sorry for my english;)

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

South Ossetia's independence was not recognized by anyone because SO was considered a part of Georgia. International observation tends not to acknowledge seperatism unless there's a good historical popular reason.

Russia alone can not decide who is a valid country.

Again, should Chechnya be seperate?

Russia claimed thousands of civilians were killed by Georgia. Lies. Russia caused thousands of refugees by invading Georgia and themselves killed as many civilians as Georgia.

Russian made this war.

[pofigistiks.livejournal.com]

...a good historical popular reason.
And there are good historical popular reason for the independence of Kosovo?

Russia alone can not decide who is a valid country.
Russia and does not solve, Russia defended the civilians.

Again, should Chechnya be seperate?
The difference is that the people of South Ossetia voted for independence, in Chechnya terrorists so require.

If tomorrow a bunch of outsiders in Texas will begin to blow the bomb, the U.S. just let Texas? (Chechnya)
If the citizens of Texas will hold a referendum, which will vote for independence, this determination of the people, right? (South Ossetia)

Russia claimed thousands of civilians were killed by Georgia. Lies.
July 3, 2009 the head of the Investigative Committee under the Russian Prosecutor's Office Bastrykin said that the victims of genocide were 162 civilians and 255 were injured. However, he said, this is not the final data.
I dont know why you're talking about thousands. So says South Ossetiabut not Russia.

Russia caused thousands of refugees by invading Georgia
Causes of Russian troops into the conflict zone were Georgia's aggression against South Ossetia and the implications of this aggression: a humanitarian catastrophe, the exodus from the region 30 thousand refugees, the death of Russian peacekeepers, and many residents of South Ossetia.

Russian made this war.
Russia established peace in the region and prevent genocide:

1.
An expert on international law, Birkbeck College, University of London Bill Bowring said that Russia had reason to introduce additional forces into South Ossetia.
2.
Head of the Department of the University of Hamburg Otto Luchterhandt considers lawful entry of Russian troops in South Ossetia and nearby territories.
3.
In November 2008, a human rights organization «Amnesty International» published a report according to which:
- At the storming of Tskhinvali Georgian army committed indiscriminate attacks, which killed dozens of civilians in South Ossetia, and many were injured, and suffered greatly infrastructure (public buildings, hospitals, schools);
- Major destruction of Tskhinvali was caused by the Georgian army applied systems of salvo fire "Grad" missiles which have a low accuracy.
- The Russian Air Force during the conflict has made more than 75 air raids, the majority of the objectives of which were the positions of the Georgian army. From airstrikes hit villages and towns, the damage from them, "limited to a few streets and individual houses in some villages."

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

'And there are good historical popular reason for the independence of Kosovo?'

The vast majority of the world thought so.

'Russia and does not solve, Russia defended the civilians.'

Russia killed as many civilians as Georgia did.

'The difference is that the people of South Ossetia voted for independence, in Chechnya terrorists so require.'

Chechens voted for independence too. Calling them terrorists to dismiss it could work for Georgia and South Ossetia.

'If the citizens of Texas will hold a referendum, which will vote for independence, this determination of the people, right?'

The US already had this issue. It was determined that the US Constitution is permanent and can not be withdrawn from except by permission of all states.

'I dont know why you're talking about thousands'

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/russia-admits-fewer-civilians-killed/story-e6frg6to-1111117264050

Russia claimed they invaded to stem a humanitarian crisis. When after they entered they created one.

'Causes of Russian troops into the conflict zone were Georgia's aggression against South Ossetia and the implications of this aggression: a humanitarian catastrophe, the exodus from the region 30 thousand refugees, the death of Russian peacekeepers, and many residents of South Ossetia.'

And had Russia not invaded, there would not have been a catastrophe.

'Russia established peace in the region and prevent genocide:'

And that is completely false. Again, Russia killed as many civilians as Georgia did. How can Russia prevent a genocide by killing civilians?

1. Single person... opinion. I'd like a cite for additional specifics supporting his opinion.

2. Single person... opinion. Also his specific claim dealt with Russia entering SO in order to respond to Russian peacekeepers being killed. Not that Russia had a right to invade the entirety of SO and take over.

3. Selective omission from the report where they cite Russia also committed atrocities.

During the war Russia leveled an apartment building in Gori that killed dozens. South Ossetians under the supervision of Russian troop also attacked and destroyed Georgian villages and furthered the humanitarian crisis.

The first step to being righteous is to admit when you weren't righteous. There's a very obvious reason why nearly everyone in the world isn't siding with Russia and it would be best if you do not assume it's anti-Russian bias.

[pofigistiks.livejournal.com]

The vast majority of the world thought so.
Millions of flies can not be wrong choosing a shit?

Russia killed as many civilians as Georgia did.
Georgia - the aggressor

Chechens voted for independence too. Calling them terrorists to dismiss it could work for Georgia and South Ossetia.
In what year in Chechnya was a referendum on independence?

The US already had this issue. It was determined that the US Constitution is permanent and can not be withdrawn from except by permission of all states.
So is the ban on self-determination.
Russia's integrity as inviolable.
South Ossetia declared its independence on the basis of the Law of the USSR 1990. "On the Procedure for resolving issues related to the Secession of Union Republics from the USSR"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/russia-admits-fewer-civilians-killed/story-e6frg6to-1111117264050
"PETER WILSON, EUROPE CORRESPONDENT From: The Australian" - this is not Russia. He did not refer anyone. This is a fantasy.

Russia claimed they invaded to stem a humanitarian crisis. When after they entered they created one.
You're confusing cause and effect.
Who first started shooting?

And that is completely false. Again, Russia killed as many civilians as Georgia did. How can Russia prevent a genocide by killing civilians?
This is a casual victim, their homes are not fired from the "Grad."

1. 2.
The main thing that Russia was right. Georgia is acting as an aggressor.

3. Selective omission from the report where they cite Russia also committed atrocities.
Do not walk away from the answers. We discuss the legality of the invasion.

The first step to being righteous is to admit when you weren't righteous. There's a very obvious reason why nearly everyone in the world isn't siding with Russia and it would be best if you do not assume it's anti-Russian bias.
This is the international community supports hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, but condemns the protection of civilians. Should I listen to them?

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

'Millions of flies can not be wrong choosing a shit?'

When it comes to national recognition, world popularity is where it's at. Ask the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China how this works.

'Georgia - the aggressor'

What you're doing is called tautology. You're defining Georgia as the aggressor so anything they do supports them being the aggressor while anything Russia did that would lend support to them being the aggressors is dismissed because "they weren't the aggressors".

Russia entered South Ossetia under the premise that Georgia was attacking and killing civilians indiscriminately having already killed hundreds in ways that were war crimes. That was shown not to have been exactly true. The claims they were rounding up civilians and killing them. That they were tossing grenades into basements with civilians, that they were committing ethnic cleaning were untrue. Russia entered South Ossetia and essentially did the same indiscriminate shooting that Georgia had been doing and killed about the same number. Russia however, pushed into Georgia and attacked Gori.

Even if you accept the idea that they were righteous to enter South Ossetia, They had no reason to invade Georgia other than to try and intimidate Georgia further.

'South Ossetia declared its independence on the basis of the Law of the USSR 1990. "On the Procedure for resolving issues related to the Secession of Union Republics from the USSR"'

During the Soviet time, SO was an autonomous region within Georgia. Georgia's contention, that was agreed upon by almost the entirety of the world, was that it's a part of the Republic of Georgia.

'...this is not Russia. He did not refer anyone. This is a fantasy.'

He's repeating what the Kremlin was saying during that time. The problem is, I'm an English speaker so anything that leaps out at me will be report of the official reports. The closest I could come in finding anything was reports on the Russian Interfax agency citing 1600 dead. Even if the Kremlin had no official statement on the numbers killed, they still allowed South Ossetian propaganda to spread and they even made decisions based on it. If they were wrong then Russia owes Georgia an apology.

'Who first started shooting?

Russian backed South Ossetian guerillas.

'We discuss the legality of the invasion.'

Well then your prior source said the invasion into Georgia and the taking control of South Ossetia was illegal.

Russia had no legal right to invade and occupy South Ossetia.

'...but condemns the protection of civilians.'

Because there was no protection of civilians. I'm telling you this was all Kremlin propaganda. Russia wanted to carve South Ossetia off of Georgia. This was their flimsy justification. You don't have to be ashamed of it but you don't have to support it either.