[identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
UK anti-terror plan to sweep up email, phone, online records
"Data on all phone calls, text messages, email traffic and online visits would be stored for a year in vast databases under a new anti-terrorism plan in Britain, The Telegraph reported Saturday on its website.

The report, which did not cite sources, said that phone companies and broadband providers would be ordered to store the information themselves for a year for security services’ “real-time” inspection under the plan. Contents of phone calls, texts or emails would not be recorded, The Telegraph said, but the databases would retain the phone numbers and email addresses sent from and to.

And the plan would reach into social networking for the first time, The Telegraph reported, allowing security services to get information about direct messages between users of Facebook, Twitter and similar sites, and even between players in online video games."


First reaction: So they want to be like Google but just be allowed to sniff around legally, eh? ;)

Second reaction... Doesn't that seem a "little" over board, I mean allowing the government to have access to such sort of info without a warrant? And we might not be talking only about governments. Because they obviously won't have enough staff to deal with all that data, so there's a real risk that they'd be quite willing to extend the processing to some 3rd party, a private one, why not? /tinfoil hat!/

Because it hasn't already been considered before in the UK?

Private security firm could run uk police station

Yeah, I'm sure at least some among those smart-heads must realize that *real* terrorists would still always be able to find ways around all these security measures? And again, the only people ultimately suffering from such a policy would be... guess who? the ordinary people. What a surprise.

Besides, like with most (all?) internet laws, I suspect those who devised this crap don't actually know shit about the way the internet works. If someone can easily build a bomb, they'd surely know how to go over to the likes of torproject.org and cover their tracks pretty effectively in about 1 minute. Huh?
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Date: 21/2/12 19:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
I agree with you. [Tips hat.]

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Date: 22/2/12 07:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Yep, so we need to consider our jumps. Something like this would probably be inefficient in the short term, gotten around in the medium term, and still there long after it's ceased to be of any use. We need to be careful of the tradeoffs we make.

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Date: 21/2/12 17:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fire-81.livejournal.com
(*coughing*)

Don't you think that since Google, ICQ and other messengers were founded - all personal communications are recorded and stored.

All you type-into Internet - is recorded and never deleted.

The article you've provided is classic "1984"-method

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Date: 21/2/12 18:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
To be a "1984" method, it requires looking into your living room any time of day. Measures like this will simply change the perception that people have about what is private and what is not.

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Date: 21/2/12 19:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
One step at a time, eh. Those guys are teh smartz.

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Date: 21/2/12 19:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
If they were so smart, they would not incite terrorism in the first place.

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Date: 21/2/12 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Perhaps they're doing it on purpose? So they could push their Big Brother agenda?

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Date: 21/2/12 19:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
You think? I thought it was a plot by The Sun!

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Date: 21/2/12 21:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
That's one helluva lot of IM sex.

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Date: 21/2/12 19:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lai-choi-san.livejournal.com
so there's a real risk that they'd be quite willing to extend the processing to some 3rd party, a private one, why not?

It's a job for Rupert Murdoch.

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Date: 21/2/12 20:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
But terror! We need to act irrationally and destructively to plans designed to make us act irrationally and destructively!

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Date: 22/2/12 02:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
It's not just UK. Legislation in Canada, USA and probably everywhere else is looking to end Internet privacy to some degree or another. It's not conspiracy, it's having to deal with new media. But currently the urgency is all about prevention of Arab-Spring like uprises that government(s) cannot currently fight or control.

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Date: 22/2/12 03:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com
"Doesn't that seem a "little" over board, I mean allowing the government to have access to such sort of info without a warrant?"

Never underestimate the capacity of Johnny Punchclock and Joe Sixpack and their clueless fucking families to trade freedom and privacy for the illusion of security.

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Date: 22/2/12 07:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Fuck Johnny Punchclock and Joe Sixpacks. And their ugly arse kids.

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