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Yesterday was a tough day for former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. First up, Bob Dole wrote an extremely critical letter of Newt, writing

I have not been critical of Newt Gingrich, but it is now time to take a stand before it is too late. If Gingrich is the nominee it will have an adverse impact on Republican candidates running for county, state and federal office. Hardly anyone who served with Newt in Congress has endorsed him, and that fact speaks for itself. He was a one-man-band who rarely took advice. It was his way or the highway,” said Mr. Dole in the letter released Thursday. “Gingrich served as Speaker from 1995 to 1999 and had trouble within his own party. Already in 1997 a number of House members wanted to throw him out as Speaker. Gingrich had a new idea every minute and most of them were off the wall. He loved picking a fight with Bill Clinton because he knew this would get the attention of the press. This and a myriad of other specifics helped to topple Gingrich in 1998.




Newt's performance at the Jacksonville debate was pretty bad. So bad, that today even Paul Krugman wrote "Good-bye, Newt" with the video of "Fly Me to the Moon" (LOL!) Now instead of the press, Newt is blaming the audience, for his poor performance. But the latest NBC News - Wall Street Journal shows Newt is unelectable, and it bodes some serious implications for Republican chances in the November election. As the Wall Street notes in its report:


Mitt Romney mounted a fresh attack on President Barack Obama's stewardship of the economy Wednesday, while a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll raised caution signs for Mr. Romney's strategy of putting the economy at the center of his campaign. Partial results from the poll, released Wednesday, found voters feeling more positively about the economy and of Mr. Obama's handling of it. Some 30% believed the country was headed in the right direction, up eight percentage points from a month ago. Some 60% said the country was on the wrong track, down from 69% in December and from 74% in October. The question is considered an important measure of voters' mood.

For the first time in seven months, the poll found that more people approve of Mr. Obama's job performance than disapprove, 48% to 46%. Some 45% said they approve of his handling of the economy—up six points from mid-December. Republicans had better bring their A game to the election in November, as today's results are a reminder that as attitudes about the economy improve, so does President Obama's standing,'' said Bill McInturff, a GOP pollster who conducts the Wall Street Journal survey with Democratic pollster Peter Hart. "The president still has a very long road ahead of him, but for the first time in a long time he finds that he has the wind at his back," Mr. Hart said.


First up, in the poll Republicans of all persuasions pretty much support Newt Gingrich over Romney:






But who supports which candidate?



But Newt's extremely high unfavorable poll figures kills him with a key demographic that's been key to election victories since 2000: women; and this how Newt figures in a race against President Obama:



But with Mitt Romney, women have a much favorable viewpoint and improves his chances against President Obama significantly:



But the nasty race between Republican candidates is having a real impact with voters, and is hurting the Republican party as a whole. The last 3 Republican nominees came out of their tough primary season with a net positive. The last Democratic nominee that came out of his nomination with a net negative was John Kerry. This is shown in their *net* negative (or unfavorable) figures:



Here is Chuck Todd's reading of the figures. You can view the WSJ's interactive graphic with its own coverage of the poll here.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
I caught bits and pieces of it last night, and there were quite a bit of derisive OOOOOO's from the audience in Newt's direction.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
I cannot fathom why Tea Party members would favor Gingrich. He thinks that a Moon Base would be a jolly good use of public funds. He has made the argument that Romney is some kind of aristocrat, albeit an aristocrat who never has a revolving line of credit with Tiffany's. The man who was run out of DC under a cloud has cast vague aspersions of impropriety on a man who paid $7.1 million in taxes. Astonishing. It has to be more of a visceral dislike of Romney than any understanding of Gingrich's history or positions.

On the upside, I hope this means his star is fading. If Romney wins in Florida I think, barring any surprises, that Gingrich will sink below the waves. Good riddance. Go back to your think tank and dream your grandiose dreams. Some of them are pretty cool, but they don't belong at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
They favor Gingrich because he's not Romney.

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Date: 28/1/12 16:15 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jennem.livejournal.com
It has to be more of a visceral dislike of Romney than any understanding of Gingrich's history or positions.

Agreed. Gingrich is just the flavor of the month. He just happens to be the flavor of the month at a critical time in the election cycle (as opposed to when Perry, Cain, and the other flavors of the month were in style).

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Date: 27/1/12 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Who knew that 'very conservative' meant that adultery and ethics violations are viewed as favorable characteristics?

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Date: 28/1/12 09:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I totally should not not!

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Date: 28/1/12 14:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Well, alright then....

Wait, what???

I am sore cornfused.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muscadinegirl.livejournal.com
Newt is scary and says things that make me cringe, but Romney bought companies and dissolved them.

Why can't we have a Republican candidate who isn't crazy or evil?

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Date: 27/1/12 17:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Why is the latter evil? Should poorly run/unprofitable companies remain in business?

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Date: 27/1/12 17:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muscadinegirl.livejournal.com
People are losing jobs because of this kind of practice. I can just imagine what he'd want to do to the Federal Government and how many more people would be unemployed/living on even less because of it. To me, that's evil.

But I realize evil is subjective and this is only my opinion. Think what you want.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Bain's investments under Romney showed a 22% failure rate (bankrupt or closed within 8 years of investment) (http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/facts-strained-in-king-of-bain/). That's a great track record and shows, at least business-to-business, a net positive overall.

Even if people are losing jobs, though, why prop up bad companies? I don't see how that's all that logical. I'd like to hear more.

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Date: 27/1/12 20:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
People are losing jobs because they aren't running profitable companies. A chronically unprofitable business can't be sustained out of some sense of nostalgia. Those employees are better served taking their talents to profitable ventures.

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Date: 27/1/12 23:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
That's one way to look at it. Another way is to see the money spent on those jobs, being invested in other industries (possibly more sustainable than the old) and creating jobs in the same. Why would you want to deny those people the chance at having jobs?

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Date: 28/1/12 15:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Oddly enough I have to agree with Jeff and policratus here, which is a first. A private business is neither charity nor government. Romney doesn't appear to have been an asset stripper, more someone who has nurtured businesses and behaved reasonably responsibly: I may be wrong about this, and if so, please furnish me with the appropriate information.

However (and these are personal opinions), I do think he pays too little tax (because he can), and his policies aren't sensible in the circumstances, and he's much less able than the incumbent POTUS. Opinions with which Jeff and policratus would no doubt disagree.

And all this is a completely different matter to bail-outs, deficit budgeting, job creation, and the other questions of mutually exclusive or otherwise antithetical macro-economic theories.

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Date: 28/1/12 15:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foolsguinea.livejournal.com
What basis do you have to believe the companies Bain targeted were badly run?

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Date: 28/1/12 15:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Some of them clearly were - if they weren't, they likely wouldn't have gone bankrupt.

The implication in the comment - that buying and dissolving companies is evil - misses the point that some companies should not remain in business if they are unprofitable and/or poorly run.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
You'd hate Danny Devito in Other Peoples Money then.

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Date: 27/1/12 18:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Absolutely brilliant writing, brilliantly acted. That should be standard viewing.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Welcome to the 24 hour news cycle, where a poll released Wednesday is already way too old. CNN has Romney back up big in Florida (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/01/25/topstate5.pdf). So does Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/2012_florida_republican_primary) and Insider Advantage (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2012/InsiderAdvantage_FL_0125.pdf). Newt got a big boost in South Carolina, but that wave didn't last more than a couple weeks it appears, and none of these polls reflect Gingrich's terrible showing in the debate last night.

Gallup's numbers confirm this as well. Gallup's national poll shows that upswing (http://www.gallup.com/poll/152147/Gingrich-Erases-Romney-National-Lead.aspx) with questioning ending Sunday evening. Gallup's national poll shows no difference between Romney and Gingrich (http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx) against Obama at this time - Obama leads 50-48, essentially a dead heat, and Gallup traditionally uses a registered, rather than likely, voter screen, which helps Obama's numbers.

Polling trends indicate that this second honeymoon with Gingrich appears to be over. Whether the voters flock to Santorum again or go with Romney remains to be seen.

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Date: 27/1/12 17:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
So they should pair up.

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Date: 27/1/12 19:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Gingrich is technically still under investigation for 80 crimes. Seems to me that the Justice Department may well threaten to pursue these if Gingrich gets the nomination. This would be grounds for impeachment. I believe this is what Pelosi was referring to.

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Date: 27/1/12 20:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
If Gingrich wins the election I predict a lot of problems with the GOP having to confront the Evangelical element that will focus on his multiple marriages and a great deal of ambiguity. They might vote for Gingrich but it would be a major handicap and perhaps lead Gingrich to repeat the 2008 mistake and pick some random darling rising star of the Religious Right for expediency instead of looking into just *who* he'd pick to pander to them. If ROMNEY wins then he'll have a perpetual revolt and animosity from the Evangelicals who went ballistic over lies about a long-term member of the Church of Christ being Muslim going even more apeshit over a real-true Mormon possibly being the first Mormon POTUS. And if Santorum wins the Religious Right would be happy but the secular and more rationalistic parts of the GOP will be in revolt from the first and *this* would create the *inverse* of the Romney pattern.

As I said before about this...

Image

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Date: 27/1/12 21:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Yeah, the Republicans are currently voting for who they want to lose to Obama.

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Date: 27/1/12 20:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Newt's expression in that first image seems to be saying 'I should NOT have had those bran muffins before coming on stage.'

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