[identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I thank [livejournal.com profile] telemann for pointing me at the feature at the TIME magazine in regards to ANC's centennial anniversary:

"The ANC blames apartheid's legacy and, as party spokesman Keith Khoza describes it, "the reluctance of business to come to the party." But 17 years is almost a generation. The government's failure to transform South Africa from a country of black and white into a "rainbow nation," in Archbishop Desmond Tutu's phrase, means black poverty is still the key political issue. A second, related one, however, is the ANC's dramatic loss of moral authority. At 93, Mandela is still among the most admired people on earth. But his party has become synonymous with failure — and not coincidentally, arrogance, infighting and corruption. Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate and, at 80, still the nation's moral conscience, encapsulated South African political debate last year when he came out of retirement to give two speeches. In the first he asked whites to pay a wealth tax in recognition of their persistent advantage. In the second he called the ANC "worse than the apartheid government."

I think the author speaks truth. Now, more than ever, John Pilger's documentary Apartheid Did Not Die, is valid and worth considering.

You know, when I was leaving NL on my way to my new life here in SA, my dad sent me with the words, "Remember: it took a generation to defeat white supremacy; if it'll take another one to defeat black totalitarianism, you should be ready to go for it". But that's only one half of the story. The other one is that this isn't the main struggle now. The enemy is poverty, and corruption, and the marginalization of vast chunks of society from social and economic life, and the HIV epidemic.

Old grudges and prejudices cannot be healed in such a climate. We have to address the real roots of the problem, not just fool ourselves around with doing short-term damage control of the symptoms. And that may take more than a generation. But ultimately, it's worth the effort. Because the alternative looks much bleaker.

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Date: 7/1/12 20:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
You guys need patience. Enormous amounts of it. And constant pressure on your politicians. It's actually harder to change things at a peace time (because apartheid could be regarded a war time in some sense). Because there'll be always some guys up there to say: "See? We've got democracy. What do you want now?"

You do what you can. If there are more people like that, this could actually work. Maybe not in your lifetime. But you'll have been part of it.

Spoken like someone who has spent most of his conscious life during the "Transition Period" as we call it here. I have no illusions that it'll end anytime soon. Because transition should happen in people's heads first, before becoming reality.

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Date: 7/1/12 20:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
YAY, I'm glad you like that! I thought of all my African LJ brothers and sisters the minute I picked up that magazine and read the article.

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Date: 7/1/12 21:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I should try to see if there are any music editors in South Africa for a project I'm working on.....or just folks good with Sibelius engraving software. That would awesome to make this even more of an international project than it already is.

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Date: 7/1/12 21:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I'll look up some music departments for South African universities and colleges then ;)

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Date: 7/1/12 20:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
Democracy does not happen overnight. People need to be more active and to assert their rights more firmly whenever they are being breached. Take for example the case with that bill about censorship that you wrote about recently. People protested against it for a while and then moved on. It shouldn't have happened this way. The pressure to the government to do things right shouldn't cease. Look at Iceland.

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Date: 7/1/12 21:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
To an extent apartheid *would* not die either simply, soon, or cleanly given that it shaped South Africa's political structures. Democracy has to evolve, it doesn't spring up ex nihilo, and a political system structured to totalitarianism has a great deal of adjusting to do. No matter where a totalitarian regime would fall the evolution would be uneven and in fits and starts. To tear down the old apartheid order was a great triumph, the problem is that it's never so simple as to tear down one order, there must be plans to create a new one. I consider this post to be one for the recommended tag.

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Date: 7/1/12 21:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
To me actually there is one in that it notes certain obvious realities which have been neglected by people in high places to a rather obvious problem for the world as it is right now. I think to an extent the ANC government has faced and is facing the problems of moving from a challenger to an evil government to a reshaping which on the whole is one of the most formidable tasks any government would have to face. IMHO it's to their credit that their chief issues are things like cronyism as opposed to some of the nastier ways that transition could have been made.

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Date: 7/1/12 21:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
I have immeasurable faith in people, particularly the South African people, because for the last six years or so I've been seeing what they're capable of, and I've often found myself amazed.

Things have always been bound to get worse before getting better. SA may appear to be going too slowly along that road, it may be taking too many sidesteps and retreats, but have no doubt that it'll end up in a better place than it used to be 20 years ago. Either that, or it'll need another full overhaul, but rest assured it's not going down the gutter. And that's not just me trying to cheer you up - I can see it everywhere I look. Despite all the shit that's been going on during all these years.

You made the right thing when you opened that door in NL. Now keep walking.
Edited Date: 7/1/12 21:20 (UTC)
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