[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I actually started writing a post on the Ron Paul's recent racist newsletter scandal and the conservative reaction to the same but jonathankorman beat me to the punch. As such I'm shifting the topic slightly to something that came up in the comments.

Now I like Ron Paul, As jonathankorman said;

He vigorously opposes American military adventurism and the military-industrial complex. He has pointed out how the financial industry has perversely benefitted from the financial crisis they created. He speaks in defense of civil liberties and has fought against attacks on them like the PATRIOT Act. He calls the War On Some Drugs the madness that it is. And often he says this stuff well.

But his response to the scandal namely, "I didn't know what was in the letters but I put my name on them anyway" has dramatically lowered my respect for him. You see, if he's telling the truth, such a decision demonstrates a high level political incompetance. What kind of fool would out-source his reputation in such a way? and what kind of fool would run for president without taking care of the skeletons in his closet first? If he did write those letters (even if he were simply playing to the crowd) he's simply dishonest and unwilling or unable to take the heat.

Niether of these qualities speak well of him, and to be frank I expect higher quality bullshit from my elected officials.

That said, I flinch internally anytime I hear someone frame an argument about politicians or policy in terms of good and evil. In my opinion you can either pick a team, or pursue the truth. When you frame an argument in such a way you've basically declared your preference for the former.

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Date: 30/12/11 02:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Simple: if Ron Paul is insane for being a Neo-Confederate libertarian, what about Woodrow Wilson, a university president as Ron Paul is a doctor and a Lost Cause creator as Ron Paul is a perpetuator? If the idea is evil, what of the people that enshrined it?

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Date: 30/12/11 02:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
I have no problem calling Woodrow Wilson evil for that reason.

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Date: 30/12/11 02:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
You, however, called Dr. Paul insane. Was Dr. Wilson also insane or are evil and insanity two separate and unequal things?

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Date: 30/12/11 02:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
I called him a “crackpot”, not insane. Crackpottery and evil are independent variables, but they can coïncide and are a potent combination when they do.

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Date: 30/12/11 16:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
President Wilson had honourable intentions in Paris. Not only was peace a goal, but justice as well. The two goals were not exactly compatible. Especially when revenge is mistaken for justice.

At what point do you consider Wilson evil?

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Date: 30/12/11 21:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
At the point when he was claiming the KKK were a bunch of heroes and he considered the Treaty of Sevres were good ideas. Somehow a partition of not just the Ottoman Empire but Anatolia in general in the sense he espoused does not work well. The legacy of his European and Middle Eastern politics was the great and grand clusterfuck of the 20th Century while he was a tyrannical asshat at home. Yeah, he was pretty fucking evil and his main heroism comes from historians.

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