[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
This community selected The Federalist Papers as a text for perusal. As far as I can tell, the only quality that puts it in the chosen category is the fact that Tea Partiers have a fascination with eighteenth century Americana. Still, it gives us an idea of what things were like back in the day before politicians pandered to the lowest common denominator. It is refreshing to read ancient pundits who have no fear of characterizing America as a land of avarice rather than a land of adventure. It is pretty clear that the American republic was founded as an empire of the greedy, by the greedy, and for the greedy.

This is not to say that the majority of Americans fit the description of a rat-race. Although that may be the case today, it was less so at the time. Greedy Europeans did not flock to the shores of America in large numbers until the original rat-race established a safe haven for action. In a way, Alexander Hamilton and his fellow plutocrats blazed the trail for generations to come. His honesty in describing his people as "ambitious, vindictive, and rapacious" set the stage for such people to accept the American empire as their fortress of acquisitiveness.

Clinton Rossiter, the editor of the Penguin edition, describes the difficulty that arose when Hamilton took credit for all of the Federalist Papers, despite the contributions of other authors. This avaricious conduct reflects behavior of business people who take credit for the work of their employees. It is standard rat-like conduct.

Hamilton's ambitious nature revealed itself when he took up the banner of empire to put down the Whiskey Rebellion in my home state of Pennsylvania. One of his relatives likened him to Napoleon for his heavy handed tactics. His vindictive nature led him to snipe at Aaron Burr and to go so far as throw the ensuing duel in an attempt at martyrdom. For rapacity we need look no further than his remark that Native Americans were the "natural born" enemies of the empire. Long before J. Edgar Hoover feared a Commie under every bed, Hamilton hand animosity against people of a more communal spirit.

In an era when Barak Obama has donned the mantle of the Great Emancipator, it is appropriate that his detractors be conferred the mantle of the petty plutocrat. Alexander Hamilton serves as a fitting icon for the rat-racism that we know and cherish in today's American body politic.

Do you have any observations on the man of the ten spot?

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Date: 20/12/11 17:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
PBS "American Experience" did a much more detailed and less Cliff-Notes version of Hamilton's great contributions to American history.




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I'm shocked.....

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Two quotes by Steinbeck...

Date: 20/12/11 17:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
"If I wanted to destroy a nation, I would give it too much and I would have it on its knees, miserable, greedy and sick."

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

-John Ernst Steinbeck III

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Date: 20/12/11 17:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I think you need to stop hating on rats - they're social and can be quite friendly. Unlike mice who will go cannibal the second it's convenient.

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Date: 20/12/11 17:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
the only quality that puts it in the chosen category is the fact that Tea Partiers have a fascination with eighteenth century Americana

I am very far from being a Tea Partisan and think that the Papers were a very good choice, with great relevance not only to the history of American politics but to any serious consideration of politics in general.

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Date: 20/12/11 17:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
Yes, I'm kind of thinking that Tea Partiers occasionally eat carrots, so that may put some people off of vegetables because, well, you know. XD

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This book report had nothing to do with the material. You should read the directions as given out in the course syllabus. You get an F.

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Date: 20/12/11 18:25 (UTC)
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OK, there are far too many pieces of shoddy, fact-free so-called history here for me to simply look, snigger, then move on.

First, Lincoln was the Great Emancipator and author of the triumph of today's established capitalist orders. The GOP of the 1860s was precisely akin to its later successors in backing big business and plutocracy, its opponents were quasi-feudal quasi-aristocratic lazy fuckers who didn't want to deal with the reality of democracy. Lincoln wanted capitalism and advocated for it, his opponents wanted a society akin to pre-emancipation Russia or Apartheid-era South Africa. There is no dichotomy here between Lincoln and Hamilton, the actual Lincoln identified himself with the Hamilton-Jackson-Clay tradition of US capitalism-statism.

Second, Hamilton was no different from all the other founders in what he said about Indigenous peoples. Some of them make the Nazis sound subtle, and by Nazis I mean Odilo Globocnik and Reinhard Heydrich and Oskar Dirlewanger, the lowest, vilest scum in a bunch of low, vile scum. They explicitly advocated extermination of Natives and only Washington and Grant in the 19th Century tried anything else (and their idea of something else was Americanization and its concurrent abolition of traditional native practices).

Finally, Hamilton deserves all credit for being the sole, single Founder to predict the USA would be a capitalist, financial state. None of the others of those landowner-slavemasters and shopkeepers realized this. He's the sole one thus whose ideas actually happened, Jeffersonian ideas were rejected even by Jefferson, Calhoun, and Davis, their most vehement practicioners. Hamilton is perhaps the most far sighted of all the Founders and was more sacrificial of power than Washington, having disbarred himself from the Presidency deliberately in drafting the Constitution.
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. . . the actual Lincoln identified himself with the Hamilton-Jackson-Clay tradition of US capitalism-statism.

I don't know much about Clay, but didn't Hamilton get the first National Bank started, and Jackson get the Second one undone? Don't these actions reflect opposite views of finance?

Wouldn't this disconnect make Lincoln a bit, well, disconbobulated? (Actually, given his way of funding the war with Greenbacks, maybe he was.)

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Date: 21/12/11 02:05 (UTC)
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When did you ever "look, snigger, then move on"?

(note, for a change I think I must have read some of the same books as you on this, because I think you are correct :D)

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Date: 21/12/11 16:08 (UTC)
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So, which part of the federalist papers did you read for this? None? Okay that makes sense.

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Date: 23/12/11 05:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
This avaricious conduct reflects behavior of business people who take credit for the work of their employees. It is standard rat-like conduct.

Once again we see defamatory press against rats.

Jailbreak Rat: Selfless Rodents Spring Their Pals and Share Their Sweets

... According to a new study in the December 9 issue of Science, rats are surprisingly selfless, consistently breaking friends out of cages—even if freeing their buddies means having to share coveted chocolate....

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=jailbreak-rat


The question that ought to be raised is who is more empathic? The rat or the human.

My money's on the rats.

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