Same old, same old
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talkpoliticsThe Senate passes a bill that allows the government to detain an American citizen indefinitely without a trial.
...And a video:
"We're not a country which runs prisons which locks people away without ever telling them why they're there or what they're charged with".
...
"We're not a nation that locks people without charging them".
-- Sen. Barack Obama, on his campaign trail
Jon Stewart addendum: "BUT I'M GONNA WORK TO CHANGE THAT!"
"As president, Barack Obama will close the detention facility at Guantanamo." [source]
You, Mr President, are just adorable. >:-O
You, Senators, too. Really? A 5-minute objection from... Rand Paul, out of all? That was it?
And the guy who made the strongest case in favor of indefinite detention (plus, we all already know what happens in Gitmo after you've been detained) - that guy was... McCain? The guy who was tortured by the Viet Cong? The same "Torture did not lead to Osama" John McCain!? What the fuck is going on here?
This is starting to reek very much of China. It's a widely used practice there, the CCP is extensively using it to shut out any potential dissent under the guise of their own version of a "war on terror".
People disappearing. With no explanation, no known reason, nothing. No right to meet a lawyer, no trial, no end of their stay in sight. "Until the hostilities end", that's the vague definition. Really, how long does the "War on Terror" last? Does it have an end, ever?
Anyone who thinks this bill would only be applied to real terrorists should keep in mind that the way it is formulated, it would allow just anybody to be accused of being a terrorist (or a terrorist "sympathizer", whatever that means), and be kept in jail without trial. No proof would be required that they're an actual terrorist. None. You can virtually imprison anyone you don't like. If this passes into law, congrats. 1984 has come one step closer.
Next up: the Mind Police will be given power to look into the stuff you say online. Because - be afraid, be very afraid - cyber warfare is now the new terrorizmuz!
...And a video:
"We're not a country which runs prisons which locks people away without ever telling them why they're there or what they're charged with".
...
"We're not a nation that locks people without charging them".
-- Sen. Barack Obama, on his campaign trail
Jon Stewart addendum: "BUT I'M GONNA WORK TO CHANGE THAT!"
"As president, Barack Obama will close the detention facility at Guantanamo." [source]
You, Mr President, are just adorable. >:-O
You, Senators, too. Really? A 5-minute objection from... Rand Paul, out of all? That was it?
And the guy who made the strongest case in favor of indefinite detention (plus, we all already know what happens in Gitmo after you've been detained) - that guy was... McCain? The guy who was tortured by the Viet Cong? The same "Torture did not lead to Osama" John McCain!? What the fuck is going on here?
This is starting to reek very much of China. It's a widely used practice there, the CCP is extensively using it to shut out any potential dissent under the guise of their own version of a "war on terror".
People disappearing. With no explanation, no known reason, nothing. No right to meet a lawyer, no trial, no end of their stay in sight. "Until the hostilities end", that's the vague definition. Really, how long does the "War on Terror" last? Does it have an end, ever?
Anyone who thinks this bill would only be applied to real terrorists should keep in mind that the way it is formulated, it would allow just anybody to be accused of being a terrorist (or a terrorist "sympathizer", whatever that means), and be kept in jail without trial. No proof would be required that they're an actual terrorist. None. You can virtually imprison anyone you don't like. If this passes into law, congrats. 1984 has come one step closer.
Next up: the Mind Police will be given power to look into the stuff you say online. Because - be afraid, be very afraid - cyber warfare is now the new terrorizmuz!
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Date: 9/12/11 06:41 (UTC)