[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com

 

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While I'm the resident Europhobe on the Community, I will have to say there is something shameful about the unwillingness of our country to enforce on our own the same standards we say the rest of the world should follow. Terrorism is not something the United States can destroy by military means. Any attempt to do so is doomed to fail. And of course I have nothing but admiration for officials actually willing to prosecute wrongdoing done on their soil.

Things like this are a threat to international law for obvious reasons, because it lays a dangerous precedent that could one day bite the United States hard in the ass. They are also a threat to the body politic for in the United States when people used to these methods return to US soil they will have less scruples about using them and this will in turn pose a deep risk for those unfortunate enough to run across them. To me this also raises another point about the risk of setting precedents at things like the Nuremberg and Tokyo War Crimes Trials only to shamelessly break the very ones already established. But hypocrisy on the part of the strong to the weak is a regrettably ancient tendency among states as a whole. >.< That said this is one thing that I feel as a US citizen shame for because it shows how hollow our promises of the last eight years were. If this be the democracy and freedom we bring elsewhere, how then are we surprised other people are too unwilling to accept these "gifts?".
[identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
Apologies for not separating the cited article from the initial post. Second try now. The international Convention on the use of cluster munitions was signed earlier this month, and more than 100 countries have joined in. The document bans the use of cluster bombs, one of the deadliest weapons in modern times, and most damaging in the long term. The problem with these weapons, and the reason they have been condemned as inhumane, is because they contain hundreds of small sub-explosives which are packed inside a bomb or a missile, and once this explodes in mid air, the multiple charges scatter all around the area destroying and killing indiscriminately. Some of these pieces fail to explode and remain in the earth for years, until someone steps on them and activates them. Estimates show that between 5 and 30% of these munitions do not explode after falling on the ground, and they poise a serious threat to the civil population long after the war has ended. 85% of the victims of incidents involving land mines and residue cluster explosives are civil, and 23% are children. Among the most severely affected countries are Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Laos and Vietnam. According to Handicap International, there are about 440 million unexploded cluster munitions worldwide, which in the worst case threatens the life of 440 million people.

The Convention was signed by a large number of countries from all continents, but with the notorious absence of the biggest producers and users of these munitions, the US, Russia, Pakistan and Israel. In what many call a historical document, it is stipulated that the countries included or any organisation or ammo producer from these countries should never produce, develop or use such weapons. It imposes strict regulations and guidelines about providing aid to victims of cluster bombs. Although it is an enormous step forward into the right direction, there are still some loopholes remaining in the document, most notably the possibility to retain a small number of cluster munitions for further use in military training missions.

But the most disturbing aspect is of course the refusal of the above four countries to join the Convention, which virtually renders it useless, because these are by far the most active users of cluster munitions. This puts the next question: are cluster munitions really that important for military success, or is it more a matter of geopolitical influence and demonstration of power (virtually the "I'm big and you cannot tell me what I should do" attitude on part of these countries)? And in fact, how is this act (or rather, non-act) supposed to reflect on the international image of these countries? The question also extends to other such major international treaties like the Kyoto protocol which has been very broadly disputed and has caused much controversy in the US, while being more or less subject to international consensus (with some other notable exceptions)... as well as a number of military treaties for non-proliferation of WMDs which have so far been solely resting on the good will of a remarkably large number of countries, while the most important "contributors" to the problem have remained outside of these agreements.

Please try not to turn this conversation into an "us vs them" game, but focus on the problem of the reasons for self-exclusion of these countries from what are considered to be largely consensus agreements worldwide, and how could these possibly be amended to become more inclusive. Because ultimately the purpose of this agreement is well intended but I understand that some interests might feel threatened by the form in which it is currently shaped.
 
[identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
When I was growing up, the "Save the Whales" campaign was the iconic animal conservation campaign and fueled a growing movement for conservation in general. Humans have, of course, hunted whales ever since we discovered that the ocean held 30 ton cows -- but in open boats and using hand held harpoons, we couldn't do that much damage. But as whaling's purpose went beyond subsistence and into valuable commodities such as oil, fleets of ships hunted the world's oceans. By the 20th century, factory hunting ships armed with explosive harpoons managed to hunt many whale species to the brink of extinction even as modern technologies had supplanted most of the commercial uses for whale products.

With science learning more about whales (the heavily hunted Bowhead Whale may actually live as long as 300 years) and Roger Paynes' release of "Songs of the Humpback Whale" helping to "humanize" the animals for a new generation of conservationists and the general public, sentiment moved against whaling even in former major whaling nations like the United States.

Confrontations at sea between anti-whaling activists and whalers actually played in favor of the activists... )
[identity profile] ghoststrider.livejournal.com

MILAN — An Italian judge found 23 Americans and two Italians guilty Wednesday in the kidnapping of an Egyptian terror suspect, delivering the first legal convictions anywhere in the world against people involved in the CIA's extraordinary renditions program.
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The Americans, who were tried in absentia, now cannot travel to Europe without risking arrest as long as the verdicts remains in place.
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Former Milan CIA station chief Robert Seldon Lady received the top sentence of eight years in prison. The other 22 convicted American defendants, including De Sousa and Air Force Lt. Col. Joseph Romano, each received a five-year sentence. Two Italians got three years each as accessories.
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The Americans, all but one identified by prosecutors as CIA agents, were tried in absentia as subsequent Italian governments refused or ignored prosecutors' extradition request — a position that casts doubts on the Italian government's political will to enforce the sentences.

Prosecutor Armando Spataro said he was considering asking Rome to issue international arrest warrants for the fugitive Americans on the strength of the convictions. The government of Silvio Berlusconi, a close ally of President George W. Bush, has previously refused.


From the Associated Press.

Let me make it clear, very clear, that I in no way support the CIA extradition policy. Absolutely not. I think its horrible and disgusting.

My question here is...can an Italian judge really try American government personnel in absentia and convict them? From what I've heard, at least one of the guys is a military officer (and is currently a base commander.) How the hell is Italy going to enforce this? Or this is just symbolic?

If its not symbolic, then...WTF?
[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
One of the secret powers of the American presidency is the capacity to suspend international law. This may come as a surprise to people who have been deluded into thinking that America is anything but a despotic nation. When a single country possesses technical sophistication adequate to the task of global domination, it can dispense with the trappings of justice.

In addition to the criminal doctrine of preemption, asserting the suspension of the Geneva Conventions is a classic Bushite move. The Bushites posit the US somewhere in the exosphere, above the lowly domain of the Swiss hamlet. When soldiers have difficulty swallowing the Party line about presidential power, they can take a long walk off of a short peer to sleep with the fishes.

Do you agree with the notion that a president can claim that the Geneva Conventions don't apply to his conduct or the conduct of his minions at the Pentagon? What are the moral implications for such behavior on the part of a supposed leader?

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