A picture is worth a thousand words (or less)

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

So, since OWS is leaderless, some groups will invariably do things others do not....

like making demands. Demands are good, I think, for a movement. It's a target. And the target provides direction.

So, what direction do some OWS groups go in?
What are their demands?




I imagine this is a nearly universal demand among the Occupy movement.

Can we agree that a cuts only budget isn't acceptable?
No, of course not, some of you think taxes are slavery! Wait, I haven't seen Steve_P here in awhile. Maybe y'all don't think it's slavery. But I bet least one of y'all would disagree with a cuts only budget being unacceptable.

Can we agree we need new revenue? close loopholes? create jobs? (i do hope we all agree on jobs)

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[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

What do you mean by "create jobs?" You mean continue to artificially prop up the economy to take our indebtedness to even higher levels?

I thought the common theme of OWS was to wrest government from the control of corporate money -- not to offer juvenile opinions about economics.

Are you sure you're not working for the Other Side?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Because if you agree with me, then you're right.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Corporations want less public spending--making everything private. Starve govt of money, make them cut services, make people turn to private solutions.

Some people don't have money?
fuckem. no healthcare.
fuckem. no education.
fuckem. no fire/police dept.

fix the 394 deficient bridges (http://act.aflcio.org/c/18/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=2895) in Washington state (where the pic was from)

that should create a couple jobs.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

the theory of democracy?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

nonsense.
they are a coincidental, not necessary property

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Well, we certainly don't need OWS to propose higher taxes for the rich and spending government money on infrastructure. We have a mainstream political party that is already totally up for that. So all you have to do is vote Democratic. No reason for OWS if that's all it is.

[kayjayuu.livejournal.com]

But Naomi Wolf said the message was get money out of politics.

*confused*

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

I interviewed a Famous Guy^TM today. He made this very point about organizations generally. Agreement ensures failure -- especially in a rapidly changing world with highly complex and difficult-to-predict dependencies.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

The Washington state legislature from 08 till now is proof to the contrary.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

how on earth do you think we'd get those things passed by congress?
;)

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

I would think that would be more to the point.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

No.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

What do you mean who is left to police the govt?
When everybody agrees that someone needs to police they govt, they do so.

Agreement before joint action.
That's the point.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Why do you say that?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Have you heard about this guy who became President of the United States? His name is O'Hara or something.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Yes, I have. But why are you changing the topic?
The Washington State legislature had super-majority of dems. They did not due what you said they would.

They are proof your argument is wrong.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

If by closing loopholes, you mean reducing the tax code to a handful of pages I can read and fully comprehend in ten minutes, leaving little or no room for hidden back-door escape clauses, then yes, I want tax loopholes closed. That way, and no other way.

That's the minimum. I'd prefer shifting the tax code in favor of spending rather than earning and eliminate the IRS entirely, but I'll settle for the former in lieu of that.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

As for job creation many of you are already aware of my contention on the complexity of trying to get predictable results in complex environments like economies so I'm hoping I won't have to go through why I believe it's futile in placing hope in the proposition that someone in a statehouse or capital building can arrange it from where they sit.

But if someone does need to see me present it again, I think I can dig up the last time I argued it.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

I don't like disagreements because I'm wishy-washy and always see the other person's point of view..it's much better for my well being if everyone just agrees with me.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Right. Because since 2008 Washington State has had an infinite amount of money to spend any way those Democrats choose.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

I hear Qadaffi was a big fan of everyone having the same opinion.

[harry-beast.livejournal.com]

If a straightforward, comprehensible tax code were implemented, many accountants, lawyers and bureaucrats would lose their jobs.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

You make a strong case. I will have to completely reconsider my views.

[allhatnocattle.livejournal.com]

From those who believe other protests were entirely coherent.
This 1967 protest anthem had the words...
"There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear"

But eventually some consistency evolved.
The message was always pretty clear though.
People were pissed off because something was wrong.

Today the Occupy crowds are streamlining their messages.
Now the right wing can ignore this too.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

"higher taxes for the rich" ?