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[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

So, since OWS is leaderless, some groups will invariably do things others do not....

like making demands. Demands are good, I think, for a movement. It's a target. And the target provides direction.

So, what direction do some OWS groups go in?
What are their demands?




I imagine this is a nearly universal demand among the Occupy movement.

Can we agree that a cuts only budget isn't acceptable?
No, of course not, some of you think taxes are slavery! Wait, I haven't seen Steve_P here in awhile. Maybe y'all don't think it's slavery. But I bet least one of y'all would disagree with a cuts only budget being unacceptable.

Can we agree we need new revenue? close loopholes? create jobs? (i do hope we all agree on jobs)

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[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

What about basic construction jobs?

Rebuilding roads and bridges? Those are easy enough for the state to make, should they allocate the funds to it, right?

[malakh-abaddon.livejournal.com]

Its the food of the gawds...

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

I'm willing to make that sacrifice ;)

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

They just need someone like Stills to write a song for it :D

Iirc the song song was based on an anti-war protest on the (Sunset) Strip;
according to a friend of mine who was there. (I might have been, but I was in SE Asia at the time...my friend went later and was in bomb disposal...he's still a little crazy :D)

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Got it. So by taxing the rich, the State will be able to overcome its $5.1 billion deficit and fund the particular jobs program endorsed by the AFL-CIO.

Yup, that's why we need to take to the streets.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Before or after education, healthcare, assistance for the poor, the justice system, and regulation of businesses? What "funds" are you talking about exactly?

[malakh-abaddon.livejournal.com]

It has been a long time since I heard this song. I think Pink Floyd's song Dogs is a better application of this whole affair. But what do I know, I'm just the poor SOB out here working a job, a blue collar red neck.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

Yes, they could do that, but my comment was aimed at the larger economy than just the construction field. It's when I hear politicians speak in terms of investing in green jobs, or ethanol, or anything else they attach to the word that I have issues with the logic.

To quote myself: "The wisdom to command economies does not exist in the multinational corporation or the government." And attempting to manage the economy so it produces a result someone wants is just as foolish for either entity.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

What was the ratio of cuts to new revenue that the super majority of dems in the Washington State leg passed after their big victory in 08?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

The funds the state may allocate after it raises taxes on the 1%.

Why are you finding this difficult to follow?

and yes, those things too.

[notmrgarrison.livejournal.com]

It's not like anyone graduates from CC in 3 years.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

You've done the math on this, I take it?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Huh?

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

I'm sure we can, but can we agree on how to cut the pizza?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

"Let's tax the 1% as much as we need to to finance every conceivable social good" is such a caricature of a position that it makes me think enders_shadow is actually working for the Koch brothers to discredit OWS.

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

More to the point, congresspeople don't get donations from special interests lobbying to remove tax loop holes, it's kind of the opposite. Since money = re-election, this is a problem.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Can we agree that a cuts only budget isn't acceptable?

No. There's no reason not to consider it. Here's one (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203658804576637633052916922.html), for example, that would work. You may not like it, but it would work.

Can we agree we need new revenue?

Need? No. Might be nice, but not a requirement.

close loopholes?

Loopholes are merely tax breaks that you don't like, so you're not going to get agreement on that one.

create jobs? (i do hope we all agree on jobs)

Government can only create government jobs, so no, we don't want more of those.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

The self-righteousness is fun too. Like I don't get that enough with &*%^$% Christians.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

no, eliminating the EPA would not "work"

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

And no way to agree on the toppings.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

I was thinking more in moral terms. I am skeptical about the intellectual claims of both beleivers and non-believers. :P

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I was just taking advantage. :)

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

And you have a problem with this why?

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

A completely overhauled and fully available to the public tax code would be better, don't you think?

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

Now you're just trying to sow discord.