[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
As a young woman armed with a college educational experience, I had the good fortune of obtaining a copy of Thomas Szasz's Ceremonial Chemistry from a family member who had had an unfortunate brush with the medical profession. Since then I have read a few more of his books including Liberation and Oppression dealing with the enslaving aspects of medical mispractice. Szasz is a whistle blower in a fraternity with a great deal to hide. He infiltrated the medical profession in order to open its closets and expose its skeletons to public view. This endeavor has earned him great devotion and great enmity.

To truly understand the roots of systemic mispractice in medicine, one must consider the evolution of science and the political process of its application. Rene Descartes was a pioneer for his time and place who helped to bring both mathematics and medicine out of the dustbin of ancient history. His achievements in math are reflected in the way his name has been assigned to coordinate axes and spatial limitations. In medicine, he described an inner theater of thought processes along with an embrace of an ancient conception of biochemical "humors" such as black bile (melancholia).

Math and physical science have advanced beyond the limits of Cartesian thinking but medical science has not. It is stuck in that intermediate phase of development that ascribes way too much value to ancient limits on thought and analysis. This is understandable given that Western politics has advanced very little since the days of witch burning. People are still incarcerated for "criminal" thinking just as Bruno was incarcerated for his "criminal" belief in a heliocentric cosmos.

In the primitive Cartesian paradigm of mind and body, biochemical processes are solely responsible for chronic mental degradation. This is rationalized by an anecdotal connection to the ingestion of toxins and the effect it has on mental states. Eating mushrooms can lead to a bizarre experience of hallucination. It follows (in the Cartesian theater paradigm) that hallucinations are always caused by a biochemical factor. This faulty logic lies at the foundation of systemic medical mispractice and the over-medication of people in Western society.

We now know that there are a number of ways to induce hallucinations. When a racist sees an African as a beast of burden, we do not ascribe the source of his hallucination to a biochemical process. When people who live in bondage hallucinate that they are free, we do not see a biochemical source for their delusion. There are other processes at work that cause mental degradation.

How aware are you of the abuses of medication by practitioners who are charged with public safety responsibilities?

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Date: 24/10/11 17:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
I'd gladly have some topping with that Caesar salad.

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Date: 24/10/11 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
With an extra helping of mishigas.

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Date: 24/10/11 17:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Somehow, I always suspected you were a Scientologist.

Re: Would that make...

Date: 24/10/11 17:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Don't know.

Don't care.

Have noticed that this post is even more nonsensical than your usual ramble.

Here's a reality check: things aren't perfect. Science makes errors. Medicine makes errors. Jurisprudence makes errors. Nobody who has the slightest bit of honesty would ever say otherwise.

To take those errors and spin everything back to an overarching obsession with your perception of ancient Rome's continued influence into modernity is tiresome and, by now, an exceptionally tired one-trick pony.

Re: Would that make...

Date: 24/10/11 18:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
We're talking about your entire posting history right now.

There is difference between making errors accidentally and making them purposefully for personal and professional gain. Do not mistake the latter for the former.

You really don't know very many scientists and medical researchers, do you?

Re: Would that make...

Date: 24/10/11 22:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
You do not betray much study. All you have really uncovered is the ongoing trend of medicine to go like gangbusters done the most recent advances in knowledge and technique and have to reconsider after longer term data is in. That is useful as a medical consumer trying to weigh options. It is not useful to establish these straw Caesars you keep setting up.

Re: Would that make...

Date: 25/10/11 20:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Yes dear, we're all so stupid. Poor us. Why can't we be smart like you?

Re: Would that make...

Date: 24/10/11 19:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
It is odd to see you pimping a notoriously circumspect libertarian ideology with regard to psychiatry.

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Date: 24/10/11 17:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
All this post is missing is Tom Cruise accusing us all of being "glib".

So here he is:

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Re: Spoken like...

Date: 24/10/11 18:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Really?

How about someone who just finds your shtick a) boring b) stale and c) consistently ahistoric to the point of self parody?

Re: Spoken like...

Date: 24/10/11 19:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Is this the part where you psychiatrize everything and then claim to be against the modern trend of psychiatrizing everything? What makes you any different? Your entire schtick is one giant psuedo-psychiatric, snide and smarmy, crackpot elitism; the very likes of which you ostensibly dislike.

Re: Spoken like...

Date: 24/10/11 22:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
I honestly cannot tell if she is a Scientologist or just someone who really mistook The Mists of Avalon for a work of historical research.

Re: Spoken like...

Date: 24/10/11 22:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
I think I read that when I was like 16. Sadly, I don't remember hardly any of it.

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Date: 24/10/11 17:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
This has inspired my newest userpic.

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Date: 24/10/11 18:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
He sure looks like someone who's saying 'glib'. I can read it on his lips.

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Date: 24/10/11 18:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
And Lauer is thinking "how do I get this fucking loon off my set before he licks me?"

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Date: 24/10/11 23:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
It is interesting about cancer. Medical "science" observes a biological cell. If it is normal, it is normal. If it is abnormal it is cancer. If it is located in the brain, it is brain cancer. If it is located in the lung, it is lung cancer. This is the extent of nearly 100years of research and billions of dollars investment.

Only in very recent years has science begun to observe and identify these cancerous cells by the types of abnormality. Some have weakened cell walls and some have broken cell walls. Some cells function alone well but do not interact as they should. Others the opposite. Etc. Their DNA/RNA/genes are being studied, logged and charted to identify exactly what abnormality exists. This science is only just begun.

Western medicine has always been symptom-centric. A runny nose is treated with antihistamines, but rarely teats the cold that caused the runny nose. OTOH Traditional Chinese Medicine treats the runny-nose patient by first examining why patient became susceptible to catching a cold. TCM doctors will attempt to boost natural immunity so patient doesn't get sick. This is done through changing ones diet, adjusting environment, exercise, giving herbal remedies and increasing the flow through the patients body. Much of TCM is preventative medicine.

Both western and TC medicine have a place. Each does well at what they do. It is beneficial for peoples to use both.

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Date: 25/10/11 18:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onefatmusicnerd.livejournal.com
Just to point this out, Steve Jobs had cancer. A type with an almost 100% survival rate when treated with the kind of medicine that they teach in medical school. The kind of medicine Steve Jobs eshewed.

Cancer did not kill Mr Jobs, superstition did. I live in a state experiencing outbreaks of diseases unknown in the mid to late twentieth century.

Are physicians often under-trained in scientific methodology? Yes.

Are side-effects not taken into account in treatments? Often.

But like the Economist said, there is no such thing as alternative medicine, either an effect can be demonstrated scientifically or it is not medicine.

Holistic medicine is a murder-suicide, or in the immunization fight an attempt at genocide.

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