Scandal in Spain - Church and State implicated.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

Here we go, folks, check your bullshit meters and credibility scanners and see what you make of it.

The Daily Wail in the UK is known as a right wing and reactionary newspaper that loved Hitler right up to the moment when war was declared, so that is good enough reason for many do dismiss a story they don't like. OTOH , the BBC is running with this one also. In fact, the right wing paper is running with a story the leftish leaning Beeb dug up.

Basically, in Catholic Spain, babies were taken from their mothers - effectively stolen, and sold for adoption. It went on for decades.
The mothers were poor or non Catholic, or sometimes both, and their babies were taken from them and secretly adopted by wealthy Catholic couples in Franco's Spain. Government, doctors, priests and nuns all got their fingers in the pie and it is not as if the Catholic Church is not in enough trouble already.

So, how do you react to this news? Conspiracy Theory? Anti Catholic propaganda? A Spanish version of Watergate?
You may think that because I was taken into care myself that I might approve of babies being taken from parents who cannot look after them - but no. These babies were taken from mothers without any consent or due process of law. If parents are poor, then we need to ask why - not take away their kids and give them out to rich people. Those involved lied to parents telling them that live healthy children were stillborn , or suffered neo natal death. Stillborn And Neonatal Death Syndrome is something well researched in the UK. Parents who experience this tragedy need a sense of closure. being allowed to see their infant and have a proper burial service was denied these parents. This is simply scandalous. Church and State colluded to rob people who had so little to give to the rich.

This, I think, is likely to become a Spanish version of Watergate. It will also have repercussions for the Catholic Church as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049647/BBC-documentary-exposes-50-year-scandal-baby-trafficking-Catholic-church-Spain.html

Comments

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Human trafficking by church officials. Abuse of presumed authority.

being allowed to see their infant and have a proper burial service was denied these parents.

That touches on a more horrific detail of this scandal:

Many mothers who gave birth there claim that when they asked to see their child after being told it had died, they were shown a baby’s corpse that appeared to be freezing cold.
The BBC programme shows photographs taken in the Eighties of a dead baby kept in a freezer, allegedly to show grieving mothers.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Sounds like a Catholic version of the Lost Generation. O.o

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

The Catholics were involved with that here, but it was more of an Anglican thing. I heard a programme on the Home Children in Canada yesterday; they were essentially sold off as slave labour.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

Do you really not know about the Home Child Program? How much different to you think that was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Children

This current scandal is, no doubt, a terrible injustice, if true. But it was a common practice in the past for many cultures, including the US and UK, albeit without the super scary Papists around to lend their sinister air and whiff of brimstone and memories of Torquemada.

O tempora o mores.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Or the Orphan Train.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_train

And even saintly Ireland has had its problems.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

Do you really not know about the Home Child Program? How much different to you think that was?

I am a Brit. i am also into films.
"Oranges and Sunshine" is a movie that caused a bit of a flap a while ago, but no, i never knew that this went on until the Movie hit the press.

How different do I think this was? Ok, this scandal is rooted in Spain , and not the British Commonwealth. That is not all.

The British orphans were actually orphaned, and then betrayed.
And let us not forget that the Roman Catholic Church ~still~ managed to get it's hands dirty in that affair as well.

But how different? let me tell you - these babies were not orphaned, and not all of the parents were poor. Some parents were simply not Catholic or 'traditional' enough for the Government's liking. The kids might grow up and cause trouble, so they were effectively kidnapped, stolen from their grieving mothers and sold off to people who were "good Catholics 2 in the eyes of the Authorities.

this was a wicked act of social engineering , among other things , an attempt to raise supporters of Franco and the RCC who would otherwise more likely be critical of either or both.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

The Home Children weren't all orphans, many of them were just from poor parents.

[brockulfsen.livejournal.com]

Happened a lot in Australia too.

Single Mothers drugged and their children whisked off to adoption if they were lucky, Church run orphanages of Dickensian evil otherwise. Happened right into the 1970s.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

We had a bit of a thing for stealing children last century eh.