[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
The prophet Muhammad seemed to have serious psychological deformations and he suffered from megalomania - those are part of the conclusions in a book that angered lots of Muslims. Some authors even went further with these theories - Muhammad even had schizophrenia! Thank Allah that this whole episode didn't lead to something more extreme.

Or we could look at it from another angle. The German satirist Harald Martenstein said, "I write on topics that I hardly understand. Well, I'm outright unserious. Does that surprise you? That I'm admitting it? I may be unserious but I'm a decent guy, honestly. You can take an example from me".

Seems like in today's media you can't get into the mainstream without being unserious. Just look at the amounts of text that's being produced on a daily basis. How could you vomit such amounts of... stuff, if you're taking seriously the job you're doing? You just can't. The Medieval monks were pretty serious folks. They uttered just one or two sentences a day. That was their quota. Sometimes they could go on for days without saying anything. It's a well-known fact that the more you speak, the bigger the chances that you'd say something stupid. (In this sense, we all here are a bunch of idiots, but yeah we already knew that).

A while ago, within just a couple of minutes I read in one and the same newspaper two articles that gave diagnoses on the psychological condition of two people. Important people they are, I'm being told. The professor in psychiatry Borwin Bangelow said in an interview that the late Amie Winehouse had a borderline personality disorder. That disease had exactly 69% genetic element, i.e. it's being inherited. And in another interview from a few years ago he seemed to have predicted Amie's demise which would be caused by the exact same disease. In the same newspaper, some other professor in psycho-therapy, Sabine Nowara analyzed the psycho profile of the Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik. See, he wasn't really insane, because he wrote a manifesto of 1500 pages. A crazy person can't do that, OK? But what do we know, if a professor is saying it, it must be true.

I just can't wrap my mind around it, why should so much money be wasted for investigations, examinations and doctors, if we can just ask Borwin Bondelow and the likes. And their children and grandchildren of course - because the gift of being able to diagnose psychical disorders in other people that you've never met, is also 72% inherited. OK?

In relation to this, I'd recommend the book The Prophet's Disease by Armin Gois, a medical historian (whatever that means). The book even featured in a list of best-sellers for a while. The professor easily gets back a thousand years ago and, based on religious texts he reaches the conclusion that the prophet Muhammad "suffered a chronic paranoid-hallucination schizophrenia". So I browsed through the Koran to find the relevant places. There at some point Muhammad says that whoever doesn't eat from his camels doesn't belong to his kin. IMHO this speaks more of a pathological disdain for camels, but what do I know. I ain't no professor.

Only Allah knows what the next revelation of the next professor will be. Maybe the Neanderthals died out from bulimia, and Jesus had a phobia of planes and ships, so he constantly walked on water. Now, as for the fat Buddha there's no doubt about it: all his statues clearly show that he suffered from poor metabolism. I mean just look at this for Buddha's sake!



To be fair, I also browsed through the Bible. Now, turns out in Eden you shouldn't eat the fruits of a very particular tree; earth and water, light and darkness had to be distinguished extremely clearly; and God had a classic form of fixed ideas combined with hyperactivity. Because you have to be pretty crazy to create the whole world in just seven days. A simple garden fence took me a month! But that diagnosis is probably valid for humans too, if God is really our Creator. After all, the fish starts smelling from the head first.

So, if I'm kinda crazy, and if I have some kind of syndrome, then Bandelow will surely have noticed it. And he'll just wait for me to die, just like he did with Amie Winehouse. Then Borwin Bandelow or someone else like him will explain to everyone what had been going on inside my head, to the very last percent. If I were an important person, that is.

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Date: 19/10/11 19:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
That's why I prefer the Greek pantheon. Those guys were real freaks, and proud of it.

To channel my inner Howard Stern:

Date: 19/10/11 19:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
If Muhammad had schizophrenia that led him to unite the Arab tribes and build the basis for the most successful Mediterranean Empire of them all in terms of endurance, that's a better version than Jesus's God Delusion that led him to the painful, gruesome death that was crucifixion. At least Muhammad got something for his delusions, Jesus, well.....

And as far as the Bible's authors, I think the Bible's authors had a combination of envy and impotence given the perpetual fixation with the penis in the Bible and how almost none of the Biblical characters save David and Solomon seemed to avoid impotence issues. There's also a bit of an incest fetish and a rape fetish, in addition to a focus on MA-rated blood and gore. Man, a fully faithful Hollywood version of the Bible would be awesome just to see the Fundie dittoheads' heads explode.

Re: To channel my inner Howard Stern:

Date: 19/10/11 20:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Eh, I have no interest in homoerotic BSDM films. ;P

Re: To channel my inner Howard Stern:

Date: 19/10/11 20:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I do indeed say so. Homoerotic BSDM like that movie and a leatherman's fap-fest like 300 just aren't my cup of tea, I'm for movies that are least subtle about the gay.
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Re: To channel my inner Howard Stern:

Date: 19/10/11 20:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Only if you have a hard-on for bears taking on Orcs. Which if you do, more power to you.
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Medieval Under L sez:

Date: 19/10/11 20:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The face is hard to hit in a combat situation, though. I for one favor halberds and my being on the end that has the pointy side and axe facing well away from me. Much room to hack and stab and less likelihood that the screaming naked barbarians would actually kill me.

Re: Medieval Under L sez:

Date: 20/10/11 00:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com
Fuck halberds. Us Sicilians prefer fully automatic weapons fire at point blank range. Matters not if it's barbarians, space aliens, or Neapolitans. When we shoot 'em, we prefer that they stay shot.

And we try to avoid hitting the face. Whatever beef we may have with our target, that's no reason to disrespect his mother by forcing her to go to a closed-casket funeral.

Re: Medieval Under L sez:

Date: 20/10/11 15:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Well, if we're getting into guns I'd rather have a machine gun and a reinforced concrete pillbox than a full automatic weapon, or maybe turn a steamroller into a tank like that one guy did. Now if you wanna show you mean business nothing says business like a homemade tank. XP

Re: Medieval Under L sez:

Date: 21/10/11 00:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com
Heh, you're thinking like a Southerner and not a goombah. When we want to show we mean business we leave them a "Sicilian message". By the time the guns come out, negotiations have pretty well broken down and there's no point in showing them anything.

A homemade tank or a pillbox is effective, true. But very untraditional. You have to get up close and make sure the face isn't damaged. In the old country, there's a protocol to these things, ya know. ;)

Patriotic-Ferver-filled Under L sez:

Date: 21/10/11 00:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Southerners actually do think like goombahs in that regard. I'm thinking like a Yankee. ;P

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Date: 19/10/11 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Unfortunately we live in a world of competing formalisms, such that religious explanations are forfeited in favor of quasi-scientific explanations that are equally bunk. I am reminded of a lot of critical theory and post-modern thinking, which neatly manages to explain all evidence pro and con and incorporate it all into their favorite explanation. Counter-evidence is thus seen as confirming the general thesis, and pro-evidence is obviously confirming the thesis.

So we generally have an entire market of people giving explanations for things, all equally or more specious than religion.

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Date: 19/10/11 20:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
In order to draw my comparison out more clearly, I had to watch a video explaining gender theory which relied solely upon the advertising content of popular Western periodicals. This is sort of like reading the Koran and giving a theory of religion.

The video neatly demonstrated the ability of intellectuals to incorporate everything into an explanation, what we call "story-telling". If someone brings up counter-evidence, just explain how it confirms the original thesis, and actually demonstrates what you're talking about "on a deeper level". These sorts of unfalsifiable, fantastical stories are multiplying like flies and we are all the worse off for it.

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Date: 19/10/11 20:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
I'll have to ask my wife when she gets home.

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Date: 20/10/11 10:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
Aren't they called infomercials?

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Date: 19/10/11 20:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
The Buddha statues are proof that Big Macs existed in ancient India!

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Date: 20/10/11 15:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Fat buddha is chinese I think. Either way he is not the same dude as the O.G. buddha.

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Date: 20/10/11 15:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai

I learned how to paste text on my phone!

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Date: 20/10/11 18:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Yay! Next up: learning how to operate predator drones through your mobile! There's a whole list of dictators who still remain in place!

For the glory of civilization, fredomdom and democracycy!

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Date: 19/10/11 22:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Psychology, the bastard child of philosophy and science, not living up to the potential of either of its parents.

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Date: 20/10/11 05:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
i prefer to look at it as type middle-ground and/or an accessible point of outreach for the average person. on some topics, something really is better than nothing, no?

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Date: 20/10/11 07:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm a big fan of psychology, I've studied it quite a bit. This thought came to me when helping my partner to research a paper recently and I realised that all the data was lying with statistics. On a lot of topics, it's worse than nothing as every researcher has a different result that seems largely dependant on their hypothesis. Behavioural neuroscience is a much richer field for an actual insight into humanity though.

Also, a science should never have any interest in being accessible for the average person.

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Date: 20/10/11 09:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Awesome, now I feel validated :D

:)

Date: 19/10/11 23:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebra24.livejournal.com
"turns out in Eden you shouldn't eat the fruits"
I heard about this Eden - Russia tried to build it, called communism..
It wasn't really built but they were close - fruits were rare for people.
I heard North Korea and Cuba are very close to this ideal.

Re: :)

Date: 20/10/11 18:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I think I've seen it. It's an exact copy of the building of the Ministry of the Exterior.

Re: :)

Date: 20/10/11 18:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Found it (http://www.reticulator.com/j/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/viewonrussianministryofforeignaffairsmuildingmoscowrussia2003-05-09.jpg).

Re: :)

Date: 21/10/11 05:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
The neo-gothic building in the middle? That's awesome :) I thought Soviet architecture was all concrete boxes.

Re: :)

Date: 21/10/11 07:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
It is.

ROFLMAO:

Date: 20/10/11 14:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Does this have anything to do with the OP?

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Date: 20/10/11 05:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
this reminds me....what's that saying? something about how the squeaky wheel always gets the grease?? i suppose it's somewhat true in most societies.

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