[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
It seems that someone has hacked the Air Force's Predator Drone fleet.

The virus, first detected nearly two weeks ago by the military’s Host-Based Security System, has not prevented pilots at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada from flying their missions overseas. Nor have there been any confirmed incidents of classified information being lost or sent to an outside source. But the virus has resisted multiple efforts to remove it from Creech’s computers, network security specialists say. And the infection underscores the ongoing security risks in what has become the U.S. military’s most important weapons system.

“We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,” says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. “We think it’s benign. But we just don’t know.”


The PR dept says this is nothing but any hacker with half a brain whould be able to figure out pitch/roll/yaw/firezemissiles given enough time and data. Someday someone will manage to successfully hack a drone in flight, and either crash it or turn it against its owners. Won’t that be a fun day.

In a way it was bound to happen.

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Date: 10/10/11 11:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Now we have to watch the skies for rogue drones too, OMGWTFBBQ...

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Date: 10/10/11 13:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
Someday someone will manage to successfully hack a drone in flight

Yeah, someday a lot of things will manage to happen. What people and especially alarmists fail to realize is that all these hacks have been accessing information, not inserting it.

The ability to hack into a computer system has required that code be inserted through the intervention of an operator. This is invariably done inadvertently through an unauthorized website or program by a user of the system.

Hacking into an operating system and hacking into a user-written program are two entirely different things. Chances are, capturing a drone and reverse engineering it is a more likely scenario.

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Date: 11/10/11 02:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
If you know the input for a code and you know the output for that same code

When I say code, I mean computer instructions. Not encoded data.

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Date: 10/10/11 13:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taiki.livejournal.com
What is the Russian for, "have you tried turning it off and on again? Is it plugged in? Are you from the past?!"

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Date: 10/10/11 13:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Dunno, but hilariously getting lost in translation seems to be the easiest thing (http://topics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/russia-us-peregruzka-perezagruzka/) these days :)

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Date: 10/10/11 13:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Chalk another one up for the year of the Alien Space Bat. Between Arab dictatorships being randomly overthrown, serial freaky weather around the world, Osama bin Laden shot and killed in a million-dollar bunker, Al-Qaeda calling out 9/11 conspiracy theorists, and the Tea Party phenomenon sadly repeating itself on the other side, this just adds yet another level of weirdness.

What's next? O.o

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Date: 10/10/11 15:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
They haven't just re-imaged their boxen? =/

When the US uses drones....

Date: 10/10/11 15:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
You mention that a drone could be used against the owners. From a different point of view, whenever the US employs a drone on assassination missions, it backfires against American interests.

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Date: 10/10/11 16:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
So who could have done this? Gentlemen, start your speculations!

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Date: 11/10/11 02:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
10 bucks on Anonymous!

I'll see your bet and raise you on China.

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Date: 11/10/11 06:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
These two don't exclude each other, so we could be both in a winning position!

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Date: 10/10/11 19:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Rather then some teenage rogue hacker, or a group of hacks (anonymous, 4chan, etc.) I would suspect a government agent/agency. Only because whatever it was supposed to do, didn't work. The virus author only success was in making it immune to wipe efforts. Amateur virus's are not always perfect, but they often are excellent. Where a gov't techie isn't so interested in the project, so much as they're earning a paycheque.

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Date: 11/10/11 15:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Eh, if it's intended, it's unlikely. My understanding is that this was on closed networks, so the keylogger (and that's all it is) came on a portable HDD or SSD of some sort, however you cut it. Odds are some serviceman used an HDD to transfer info from an infected, open-net computer to the classified network, and infected them. Then it just spread as per usual in infected networks.

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Date: 11/10/11 06:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
i sort of have a hard time accepting that this information is not classified? i mean, should we, the public, be able to so easily unearth such information? maybe that's the problem to begin with?

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Date: 11/10/11 15:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
The whole drone program is riddled with holes. For instance, drone video cameras broadcast in the clear. If you have a receiver with the right frequency tuned in, you can pick up the drone's camera as it passes over your head. We can't be arsed to off-line enough of them for long enough to refit them with encrypted transmitters, and distribute encrypted receivers to the field.

This reminds me...

Date: 12/10/11 17:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
A number of years ago, I was consulting on a network development project when one of our guys encountered some military packets leaking onto our corner of the Internet. It turned out that there were non-zero values in a reserved field. Putting a number in that field defeated the security protocol. With a little hand-holding our guy was able to show the military representative how the field had been stepped on. It turned out to have been caused by a military technician who had been selling message space as a side business. I was surprised by the laxity of military communications security, at first. Since then, it does not surprise me.

Forgive me if you have heard this story before.

Re: This reminds me...

Date: 13/10/11 16:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
It was not his job to implement the protocols. He was simply a communications grunt with the capacity to modify the packets passing through his station. He had no clue how easy it would be to track down his indiscretion.

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Date: 12/10/11 17:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukexmachismo.livejournal.com
This is God's judgment on a nation that has forgotten that you're supposed to look a guy in the face when you kill him.

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Date: 12/10/11 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I predict they will gain sentience and attack us and we'll be too busy trying to find the humans responsible that we'll be blind to the robot revolution sweeping over us.

I for one welcome our new robot overlords, and remind them that I could be helpful in getting others to toil in their underground silicon mines.

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