[identity profile] desirmasque.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I hesitate to ask for fear of an excessive amount of snarky responses but whatever, hit me with your best.

I'm looking for historical/political book recommendations on any of the following:

- American politics
- conflict(s) in the Middle East
- British politics from the 19th century on
- (East) Indian political history

Generalized books would be best, as opposed to topic/conflict specific because I'd rather read over things as a whole then do my own research on the particular conflicts I find interesting.

If anyone knows detailed articles or websites, those would be appreciated as well. Thanks!

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Date: 14/9/11 10:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
School year just started.

On the plus side, this is not [livejournal.com profile] debate circa 2002, so no links to 4chan.

Probably.

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Date: 14/9/11 11:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Plus, we haven't had a "Hi I'm new here, I'm a liberal/conservative/libertarian/whatever; what are you?" kinda post for quite a while.

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Date: 14/9/11 13:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Hey baby, I'm a Libra. What's your sign?

Gee...

Date: 14/9/11 15:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... I always thought of you as a Taurus.

Re: Gee...

Date: 15/9/11 04:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
only if you believe the bull

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Date: 14/9/11 16:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
I'm a Libra too! We are the best sign, are we not, my dear?

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Date: 14/9/11 19:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
We should form a mob. We'll call it the Deadly Libras.

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Date: 15/9/11 01:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
"You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting"

Pices' are where it's at!

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Date: 15/9/11 07:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
My mum is Pisces.

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Date: 15/9/11 04:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Independent, strong willed, friendly, always questioning authority, well balanced... that's me!

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Date: 15/9/11 07:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
A minute for self advertisement, yay!

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Date: 14/9/11 15:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
Please Jesus no, anything but 4chan....

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Date: 14/9/11 19:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Anyone who mentions 4chan will suffer the most gruesome punishments involving a bucket full of beer and tied hands behind the back (I'm not giving out any more details).

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Date: 14/9/11 07:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Could you un-f-lock the post please?

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Date: 14/9/11 11:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com
I'm looking for historical/political book recommendations on any of the following:

[livejournal.com profile] underlankers appears to be our community historian.  You might try Private Messaging him, but hopefully, he will respond to your post.

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Date: 14/9/11 11:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jchantilly.livejournal.com
American politics: anything by Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr, especially Cycles of American History
British politics from 19th century on: The Proud Tower, The Guns of August- both by Barbara Tuchman

Barbara Tuchman is awesome.

Date: 14/9/11 15:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Her work on the Zimmermann cable is a must-read. She has been ridiculed by academics for her writing style, but it makes for a richer way of telling the story. Unfortunately, she does not fit the bill because her books are about specific conflicts.

Re: Barbara Tuchman is awesome.

Date: 14/9/11 15:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jchantilly.livejournal.com
You mean the Zimmerman telegram? Well, it's good to see that someone else likes her too.

Re: Barbara Tuchman is awesome.

Date: 14/9/11 16:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Yes, a cable is a wired message. The term refers to email and telegrams.

Re: Barbara Tuchman is awesome.

Date: 14/9/11 16:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jchantilly.livejournal.com
ah, I see. I didn't know that was another term. :)

Re: Barbara Tuchman is awesome.

Date: 14/9/11 18:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
At least it did, many many years ago. ;)

Re: Barbara Tuchman is awesome.

Date: 14/9/11 20:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
There are still some people who use it that way.

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Date: 14/9/11 12:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The conflict that started the whole disaster dominoes rolling in the Middle East and the Mandate that preceded Israel-Palestine-Jordan tend to be overlooked so here's some sources:

http://books.google.com/books?id=XLZtldMEXc4C&pg=PT25&dq=World+War+I+palestine&hl=en&ei=fJpwTpmlJ6bMsQLlkJDmCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=10&ved=0CF4Q6wEwCQ#v=onepage&q=World%20War%20I%20palestine&f=false

^This is about the Balfour Declaration, Perfidious Albion at its finest levels of dickery.

http://books.google.com/books?id=oBN_XAlKbicC&pg=PT5&dq=Ottoman+empire+wwi&hl=en&ei=oJpwTr74EeH9sQLkzY3HCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=10&ved=0CF8Q6wEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

^A general survey of WWI in the region and the partition of the Ottoman Empire among the British and French Empires.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XvT8CWv2DakC&pg=PA25&dq=World+War+I+palestine&hl=en&ei=iJpwTuLiN4iLsgKWsfjUCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=5&ved=0CEMQ6wEwBDgU#v=onepage&q=World%20War%20I%20palestine&f=false

^The League of Nations (read: British) Mandate of Palestine of the Interwar era.

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Date: 14/9/11 12:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
For contemporary US politics:

http://books.google.com/books?id=fowchtcWW9AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=modern+american+politics&hl=en&ei=Z5twTqe5JbKHsAKyhsTOCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6wEwAA#v=onepage&q=modern%20american%20politics&f=false

^About modern US conservatism

http://books.google.com/books?id=rgaZ63CVo9MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=modern+american+politics&hl=en&ei=Z5twTqe5JbKHsAKyhsTOCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=2&ved=0CDMQ6wEwAQ#v=onepage&q=modern%20american%20politics&f=false

^About corporations in US politics

http://books.google.com/books?id=c5763Zgu4_oC&printsec=frontcover&dq=modern+american+politics&hl=en&ei=Z5twTqe5JbKHsAKyhsTOCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=9&ved=0CFUQ6wEwCA#v=onepage&q=modern%20american%20politics&f=false

^About white flight

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/0805073396

^About how US politics lost the large left wing we once had.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385495048/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0805073396&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1AY5QAF0R2RK6E8S87RX

^About the Mammon-approving tendencies of contemporary US religious extremism.

http://books.google.com/books?id=YDcvMusBH0oC&printsec=frontcover&dq=modern+american+politics&hl=en&ei=gJtwTsPWIdSDsgLdzezwCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6wEwADge#v=onepage&q=modern%20american%20politics&f=false

^About US partisanship as it works now.

And of course we can't discuss modern politics without this:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pxolK9z1zh0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=modern+american+politics&hl=en&ei=gJtwTsPWIdSDsgLdzezwCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6wEwATge#v=onepage&q=modern%20american%20politics&f=false

^Discusses the 1960 election that established patterns of modern politics, starting with electing people on grounds of personal appearance more than others. And the emergence of media in shaping candidates and elections, a factor soon distorted by both sides in irreconcilable fashions.

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Date: 14/9/11 12:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
One cannot understand British politics in the modern age without understanding the collapse of the British Empire and how Britons to a real extent have never gotten over both the fall and the realization that their colonial subjects never really liked the whole White Man's Burden concept:

http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Fall-British-Empire/dp/0224062220

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-British-Empire/dp/031216985X

And where this intersects with the first request is here, one of the key roots in the USA's inflexible support of Israel no matter what Israel does:

http://books.google.com/books?id=NPQWZwpcx_4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Suez+Crisis&hl=en&ei=Np1wTse9LsKosAKJv5nSCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6wEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=J_VRb09wyBkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Suez+Crisis&hl=en&ei=Np1wTse9LsKosAKJv5nSCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=2&ved=0CDQQ6wEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=r3PGQy4GNeEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Suez+Crisis&hl=en&ei=Np1wTse9LsKosAKJv5nSCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CDkQ6wEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=qcPU0u3iC88C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Suez+Crisis&hl=en&ei=Np1wTse9LsKosAKJv5nSCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=4&ved=0CD4Q6wEwAw#v=onepage&q=Suez%20Crisis&f=false

^All of these cover the Suez Crisis of 1956, the last spasm of the British Empire and the moment that geopolitics consolidated on the USA-USSR bipolar axis.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0iC-Vu1zidAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+Indonesia&hl=en&ei=vptwToKcFeqxsALh8o2CCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=1&ved=0CDIQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=uGrIdxXzupYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+Indonesia&hl=en&ei=vptwToKcFeqxsALh8o2CCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=4&ved=0CEAQ6wEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=0GrWCmZoEBMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+Indonesia&hl=en&ei=vptwToKcFeqxsALh8o2CCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=8&ved=0CFIQ6wEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=RWrm7tPzs1AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+Indonesia&hl=en&ei=vptwToKcFeqxsALh8o2CCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=6&ved=0CEkQ6wEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

^All histories of Indonesia under the assumption that East India means Indonesia, not Indochina or South Asia and the Indian Subcontinent.

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Date: 14/9/11 13:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
OMG you're like a walking encyclopedia!

I see that...

Date: 14/9/11 15:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... you use the older meaning of "Middle East." What was called Middle East in our high school classes is now considered Near East. The bad boyz of the Beltway bound the Middle East by the Persian Gulf and Indochina. (I also think of the older definition whenever I hear the term.)

Re: I see that...

Date: 14/9/11 19:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
In my language it's still called Near East. We don't have such a thing like Middle East in our language. Just Near East and Far East.

Re: I see that...

Date: 14/9/11 20:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
There is no via media in Bulgaria?

Re: I see that...

Date: 14/9/11 20:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Almost every possible via of antiquity passes through here, my dear.

The Almanac of American Politics

Date: 14/9/11 13:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] russj.livejournal.com
http://www.amazon.com/Almanac-American-Politics-2012/dp/0226038084

This is published periodically, and is mainly a reference book.

"As in previous editions, the 2012 Almanac includes profiles of every member of Congress and every governor. It offers in-depth and completely up-to-date narrative profiles of all 50 states and 435 House districts, covering everything from economics to history to, of course, politics. The new edition also contains Michael Barone’s sharp-eyed analysis of the 2010 congressional elections, detailing significant trends, redistricting initiatives, and the like."

Funny you should ask.

Date: 14/9/11 15:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck pointed to W. Cleon Skousen as a good source of information. Skousen reviewed a book by Carroll Quigley that was reprinted in the '90s as the result of being the work of one of Bill Clinton's more influential professors. Skousen's review prompted me to check out the book. It is fits the bill for three of the four topics on your list. Unfortunately, it is not footnoted. Some of the sources are mentioned inside the text.

The title: Tragedy and Hope (http://books.google.com/books?id=NoI4AAAACAAJ&dq=carroll+quigley+tragedy+and+hope&hl=en&ei=98pwTp75Jc7XiAKAntCCBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ).

Re: Funny you should ask.

Date: 15/9/11 15:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Neither Beck nor Romney would pay attention to the work of Quigley. It was something that Skousen criticized. Skousen attempted to steer people away from Quigley's work as a treasury of historical information and analysis.

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Date: 14/9/11 18:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Do you ever come back to check out the posts that you've posted? I'm just being curious.

Students work...

Date: 14/9/11 20:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... on a different cycle.

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Date: 15/9/11 07:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Life, what's that?

:-)

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Date: 14/9/11 19:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
As a primer on middle east politics I would reccomend A savage war of peace 'Algeria' 1954-62 (http://www.amazon.com/Savage-War-Peace-Algeria-1954-1962/dp/0670619647) by Alastair Horne.

The book focuses on the French-Algerian war but does a good job of explaining a lot of the underlying forces and conflicts of the Arab world in general.

That and it is actually an engaging read.

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