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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015711360_norway24.html

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/breivik-my-beloved-oslo-has-become-a-multicultural-shithole/

I am one of the most pedantic people on this community about what is and isn't fascism. The manifesto and comments of this particular terrorist are fascist, plain and simple. To use this snippet:

As covered in another chapter; within approximately 100-150 years or within 4-5
generations (if the current development is allowed to continue) the Germanic/Nordic race
in several countries will be diluted or annihilated to such a degree that there will be no
one left with Nordic physical characteristics; blond hair, blue eyes, high forehead, sturdy
cheekbones. As such, the Nordic tribes will become extinct if we do not resist and seize
political and military control of our countries. To illustrate the ongoing demographic
annihilation of the Nordic peoples; in 1900 there were 50% Nordics in the US (blonde
hair, blue eyes). But now, as a result of primarily non-European immigration, there was
in 2008 ONLY 16%."

^This is the kind of idea one sees on Stormfront or in anything Pat Buchanan writes, the idea that there is such a thing as a Germanic appearance in the first place and that this means white people are inevitably going extinct.

There is also this, which I might note reflects on pro-gun rights people as much as Al-Qaeda does on all Muslims (which is to say of course that it's the act of someone who has nothing in common with the vast sane majority):

“The Party” demands: The people must be disarmed!
The EUSSR and especially the Western European countries are now deliberately
implementing measures to prevent the European peoples from defending themselves
through pre-emptive strikes against our multiculturalist dictatorships. Unfortunately for
them, Europeans were born with a free will and with creativity beyond comparison. So I
say to them; If they take away our AN-fertilizer, we will use AN from Ice packs! IF they
take away our ice packs; we will hi-jack propane trucks and use them as secondary
explosive charges! If they take away our propane trucks; we will fight them with
conventional weapons! If they ban the sale of weapons; we will smuggle in AK-47s from
the Balkans and the Middle East!
They cannot prevent us, the European conservatives from eventually seizing political and
military power. We will succeed even if we have to create our very own improvised guns.
A tyrant dictatorship is characterized first and foremost by its efforts to disarm the people.
The multiculturalist EUSSR regimes efforts to disarm its own peoples come with a very
high price. As the regime loses its confidence in those they swore to serve, the people
will lose its confidence in the regime. Mistrust breeds mistrust which directly influences
loyalty, unity and productivity. The Western European regimes continuous campaign to
disarm its people will result in a climate where it will be easier for the Revolutionary
Conservative Movements to continue consolidation. Because people will simply not accept
that the multiculturalist regimes of Western Europe continue these disarmament policies.
So we say; instead of justifying the chemical and arms bans by blaming our brave
revolutionary conservative martyrs for their pre-emptive strikes, you should look yourself
in the mirror and ask yourself why we are defending ourselves in the first place. If you
feel a need to disarm your people you should instead change your ways. If you refuse to
change your ways then you must expect to be destroyed.

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Now, my thoughts on this are that this is not a surprise in a steadily growing climate of racism and Neo-Nazism in Europe. Fascists now as then are not shy about mass murder, they have always seen it as a positive and necessary good. Fascists have also always had a fear of multi-culturalism, because the fundamental basis of the fascist state is irreconcilable with said ideology. Only the surviving members of the Hitler fanclub use Nordic/Germanic race these days as a descriptive term, which admittedly is circumstantial evidence (obviously there are some that don't but then http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar).

So this is the first terrorist attack by Neo-Nazis in Europe in quite some time. I suppose with the WWII generation dying off the Hitler fanclub thinks it can go back in business. >.<

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Date: 24/7/11 12:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midsummerskies.livejournal.com
Only the surviving members of the Hitler fanclub use Nordic these days as a descriptive term

nope, I used it yesterday

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OK OK we GET it

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Date: 24/7/11 13:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
This is a man right out of my grandparents' and great grandparents' worst nightmares.

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Date: 24/7/11 13:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Yet another confirmation that if history doesn't go in circles, at least it goes in spirals. Two generations later, Nazism shows its ugly face, as if nothing had happened. Now with a new haircut (and facial hair cut), and some fancy web tools at its disposal, but still Nazism nevertheless.

^ Herr Flick is happy in this icon.

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Date: 24/7/11 13:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Is that the new Hitler mustache?

Image

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Date: 24/7/11 15:28 (UTC)
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LOL's at all the off topic comments

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Date: 24/7/11 17:04 (UTC)
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People are talkative, they often go on tangents. It means they're interested. Big deal.

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Date: 24/7/11 16:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
yet his own attempt at obtaining guns from the balkans ended in frustration for him

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Date: 24/7/11 16:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
The more we hear about this guy the less he makes any sense.

I guessing he's no fascist he just plain psycho, parralels to Charles Whitmann perhapse? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Clock_Tower_Massacre#Autopsy_and_burial)

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Date: 24/7/11 17:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
See, this is the thing I hate (no offense to you, I mean in general when it's done.) Whenever a white person commits a horrendous crime we immediately label them as 'crazy' to find a justification, whereas if it's a brown person committing the same crime they're not crazy, just terrorists.

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Was Sherman?

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:P

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Terrorism...

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I agree...

Date: 24/7/11 22:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... that to do what he did is pretty sick. On the other hand, he was lucid and rational during his arrest. Given his penchant for Islamophobic blogs and his opposition to the PM's position on immigration, I would say he was a very rational racist somewhat like the ones that the American military sends overseas to kill Iraqis and Afghanis.
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Date: 27/7/11 01:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Yes, martyring him is far better than sidelining him.

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Date: 24/7/11 20:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Now, my thoughts on this are that this is not a surprise in a steadily growing climate of racism and Neo-Nazism in Europe.

I've been saying this for years. Europe is way behind America in terms of immigration policy and tolerance. Eurofanatics point out how EU countries have such high immigrant populations ignore the fact that most of those immigrants are from other EU countries, not from outside the union.

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Date: 24/7/11 20:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Europe

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Date: 24/7/11 20:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
"Fascism" refers to a political movement that is Sindicalist-Corporativism...

By media accounts, Breivik is anti-Muslim (racist or prejudiced) and right-winged, desiring revolution. Even the snippets that you posted say he is against dictatorships (of the EUSSR). There are similarities between his views and Hitlers for sure. But I don't know that this makes him necessarily a fascist. Or even remotely so.

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Date: 24/7/11 21:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Think Franco, and you'll get there.

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Good point.

Date: 24/7/11 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
He is a racist, that is clear. Racism was not a key feature of Italian Fascism, but it is rather significant in the German and American varieties of National Socialism.

Re: Good point.

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Date: 24/7/11 22:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
I downloaded his manifesto last night and I'm sifting through it. It's not just the "book" he put together but there's also pictures that came with it, including pictures of him (the same ones the media is using), a LOT of Knights Templar pictures, some pics of him in some uniform (along with close-up scans of the fruit salad he wears on said uniform), and pictures of body armor, patterns for body armor plates, and what look like photo breakdowns of a nuclear facility and possibly bomb circuitry.

My boyfriend made a crack that by downloading it, I may have ended up on some terror watchlist or something. Then again, so did people who work for media outlets. Oh well!

Not to worry...

Date: 24/7/11 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
... the NSA will only monitor you long enough to be satisfied that you are just as innocently curious as a half million other people who downloaded it. Just be careful of the content of your private electronic correspondences. Throw in an "Obama is such an impressive guy!" every now and then to propitiate the demons.

Re: Not to worry...

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Date: 24/7/11 23:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mintogrubb.livejournal.com
I am one of the most pedantic people on this community about what is and isn't fascism.
Seriously, I think I know what Fascism looks like, but does m definition fit yours.

Fascism is the belief that the the Individual is the property of the State, that the people are there for the State and the interests of the state override all else.

True for you too?

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Date: 25/7/11 16:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
My heart really goes out to the victims and their families, especially the youths (children? young adults? WHY DOES IT MATTER THEY WERE PEOPLE) at that camp. A disguisting act by a disguisting man who should at the very least by locked away from the rest of society for the rest of his life.

I've got too many friends who are bothered by the media reporting on the "conservative" or "religious" aspect of his beliefs. Only a moron thinks his actions represent the beliefs or potential actions of any actual other conservatives or christians. If someone actually makes such a connection, yea, call them out on it, but it's misplaced anger to be offended that the papers mentioned his political stance or his claimed religious affiliation. Scrambling to cover one's own ass isn't needed. "You're a conservative... do you share his views? No? Then feel free to say so, but don't worry about what morons think." The cartoon telemann posted has some validity... and that's something we should all take to heart in both directions: the rush to paint Jared Lee Loughner as some Palin loving fanatic should have taught us all something, especially those on the conservative side.

Of course this cuts both ways, and to hear the media over first few hours speaking (as AUTHORITIES) on the muslim terrorist connection makes me despair for what's to come this week now that his actual beliefs (disjointed and oddly varied as they are) have been identified.

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And god help me, but as soon as I saw "Knight's Templar" I couldn't stop myself from thinking: "Abstergo's at it again (http://abstergoindustries.com/)."

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