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Senators Levin & Coburn's press conference releasing their committee report on the financial crisis.

This story didn't get any coverage on several Livejournal communities, but let me remedy that now. A United States Senate committee is recommending several upper level managers of Goldman-Sachs be investigated for perjuring themselves during Congressional investigations into the 2008 financial crises. Additionally, Committee chairman Carl Levin (Michigan - D) wants the Justice of Department to investigate if Goldman-Sachs violated the law by misleading clients who bought the complex securities known as collateralized debt obligations without knowing the firm would benefit if they fell in value.





Goldman-Sachs executives testify before the Levin Committee


Much of the blame for the 2008 market collapse belongs to banks that earned billions of dollars in profits creating and selling financial products that imploded along with the housing market, according to the report. The Levin-Coburn panel levied its harshest criticism at investment banks, in particular accusing Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank AG (DB) of peddling collateralized debt obligations backed by risky loans that the banks’ own traders believed were likely to lose value. In other words, these institutions were knowingly lying to their customers in selling them toxic securities, and then were also betting against their own clients. Levin thinks the executives should also be indicted for perjury charges. As Matt Tiabbi writes:


Here is where the supporters of Goldman and other big banks will stand up and start wanding the air full of confusing terms like "scienter" and "loss causation" — legalese mumbo jumbo that attempts to convince the ignorantly enraged onlooker that, according to American law, these grotesque tales of grand theft and fraud you've just heard are actually more innocent than you think. Yes, they will say, it may very well be a prosecutable crime for a corner-store Arab to take $2 from a customer selling tap water as Perrier. But that does not mean it's a crime for Goldman Sachs to take $100 million from a foreign hedge fund doing the same thing! No, sir, not at all! Then you'll be told that the Supreme Court has been limiting corporate liability for fraud for decades, that in order to gain a conviction one must prove a conscious intent to deceive, that the 1976 ruling in Ernst and Ernst clearly states....

Leave all that aside for a moment. Though many legal experts agree there is a powerful argument that the Levin report supports a criminal charge of fraud, this stuff can keep the lawyers tied up for years. So let's move on to something much simpler. In the spring of 2010, about a year into his investigation, Sen. Levin hauled all of the principals from these rotten Goldman deals to Washington, made them put their hands on the Bible and take oaths just like normal people, and demanded that they explain themselves. The legal definition of financial fraud may be murky and complex, but everybody knows you can't lie to Congress. "Article 18 of the United States Code, Section 1001," says Loyola University law professor Michael Kaufman. "There are statutes that prohibit perjury and obstruction of justice, but this is the federal statute that explicitly prohibits lying to Congress."

The law is simple: You're guilty if you "knowingly and willfully" make a "materially false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or representation." The punishment is up to five years in federal prison.



What's interesting about the Matt Tiabbi piece is the historical background of how the banking industry and Wall Street were after the disaster of the Savings and Loan crisis in the late 1980s (e.g. over 1000 people were prosecuted and served jail time ), prosecutions and investigations of nearly 1000 cases per year dropped in the early 1990s. As Mr. Tiabbi remarks:



To fully grasp the case against Goldman, one first needs to understand that the financial crime wave described in the Levin report came on the heels of a decades-long lobbying campaign by Goldman and other titans of Wall Street, who pleaded over and over for the right to regulate themselves. Before that campaign, banks were closely monitored by a host of federal regulators, including the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the FDIC and the Office of Thrift Supervision. These agencies had examiners poring over loans and other transactions, probing for behavior that might put depositors or the system at risk. When the examiners found illegal or suspicious behavior, they built cases and referred them to criminal authorities like the Justice Department.

This system of referrals was the backbone of financial law enforcement through the early Nineties. William Black was senior deputy chief counsel at the Office of Thrift Supervision in 1991 and 1992, the last years of the S&L crisis, a disaster whose pansystemic nature was comparable to the mortgage fiasco, albeit vastly smaller. Black describes the regulatory MO back then. "Every year," he says, "you had thousands of criminal referrals, maybe 500 enforcement actions, 150 civil suits and hundreds of convictions."

But beginning in the mid-Nineties, when former Goldman co-chairman Bob Rubin served as Bill Clinton's senior economic-policy adviser, the government began moving toward a regulatory system that relied almost exclusively on voluntary compliance by the banks. Old-school criminal referrals disappeared down the chute of history along with floppy disks and scripted television entertainment



Some specific examples of Goldman-Sachs alleged perjury:


Goldman's chief financial officer David Viniar.

1. David Viniar insisted that Goldman's massive bet against mortgages was "not a large short." At work, he'd written an email in which he called Goldman's bet "the big short." Tiabbi: In late 2006 ... the top dogs at Goldman ... started to fear they were sitting on a time bomb of billions in toxic assets. Yet instead of sounding the alarm, the very first thing Goldman did was tell no one. And the second thing it did was figure out a way to make money on its knowledge by screwing its own clients. As the Levin report details, on December 14th, the Goldman's chief financial officer David Viniar (pictured) met with mortgage chief Daniel Sparks and other executives, and stressed the need to get 'closer to home' – i.e., to reduce the bank's giant bet on mortgages.



Daniel Sparks

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Daniel Sparks (pictured) followed up his meeting with Viniar with a seven-point memo laying out how to dump the bank's mortgages. Entry No. 2: "Distribute as much as possible on bonds created from new loan securitizations and clean previous positions." Taibbi:"The day he received the Sparks memo, Viniar seconded the plan in a gleeful cheerleading e-mail. 'Let's be aggressive distributing things,' he wrote, 'because there will be very good opportunities as the markets [go] into what is likely to be even greater distress, and we want to be in a position to take advantage of them.' Translation: Let's find as many suckers as we can as fast as we can, because we'll only make more money as more and more shit hits the fan."Daniel Sparks claimed that Goldman expected deadly mortgage deals like Timberwolf "to perform." At work, he'd approved an internal document warning that Goldman expected such deals "to under-perform."


Michael Swenson, Goldman-Sach's trading manager

3.Michael Swenson said Goldman had forfeited profits by refusing to bet against mortgages: "We left money on the table." At work, he had bragged about the "extraordinary profits" he made while betting against mortgages. Goldman specifically designed [an investment package called ] the Hudson deal to reduce its exposure to the very types of mortgages it was selling. One of its creators, trading chief Michael Swenson (pictured), later bragged about the "extraordinary profits" he made shorting the housing market. Goldman dumped $1.2 billion of its own "cats and dogs" into the deal – and then told clients that the assets had come not from its own inventory, but had been "sourced from the Street." Hudson quickly lost a ton of money. Goldman's biggest client, Morgan Stanley, alone lost nearly $960 million on the Hudson deal, which the bank turned around and dumped on taxpayers, who within a year were spending $10 billion bailing out the bank through the TARP program.


Thomas Montag, Goldman-Sachs senior executive

4. Thomas Montag
Goldman clients who bought into the deal had no idea they were being sold the "cats and dogs" that the bank was "cleaning" off its books. An Australian hedge fund called Basis Capital sank $100 million into the Timberwolf deal on June 18th, 2007, writes Taibbi, "and almost immediately found itself in a full-blown death spiral." In February 2007, Goldman mortgage chief Daniel Sparks and senior executive Thomas Montag (pictured) exchanged e-mails about Timberwolf.

MONTAG: "CDO-squared – how big and how dangerous?"
SPARKS: "Roughly $2 billion, and they are the deals to worry about."

In a conference call on May 20th that included Viniar, Sparks oversaw a PowerPoint presentation spelling out Goldman's concern about Timberwolf. In a later e-mail, he wrote: "There is real market-meltdown potential." Four days after Goldman sold $100 million of Timberwolf to Basis. "Boy," Montag wrote, "that timeberwof [sic] was one shitty deal."


The Senate report has a great deal more detail about the specifics of the case, way beyond the scope of this type of post. But the more fundamental question remains: if the Goldman-Sach's executives aren't prosecuted for securities fraud, or at the very least for perjuring themselves, Mr. Tiabbi notes:


Roger Clemens was indicted for charges of perjury in his testimony before Congress


When Roger Clemens went to Washington and denied taking a shot of steroids in his ass, the feds indicted him — relying not on a year's worth of graphically self-incriminating e-mails, but chiefly on the testimony of a single individual who had been given a deal by the government. Yet the Justice Department has shown no such prosecutorial zeal since April 27th of last year, when the Goldman executives who oversaw the Timberwolf, Hudson and Abacus deals arrived on the Hill and one by one — each seemingly wearing the same mask of faint boredom and irritated condescension — sat before Levin's committee and dodged volleys of questions. If the Justice Department fails to give the American people a chance to judge this case — if Goldman skates without so much as a trial — it will confirm once and for all the embarrassing truth: that the law in America is subjective, and crime is defined not by what you did, but by who you are.


For me, this is an issue that strikes at the heart of American justice: the idea that our laws apply to everyone, that class and distinction shouldn't matter; this is way beyond any notion of Democratic versus Republican. It's much more serious than that. And both parties have contributed to the issue, including Democrats that were pushing for less regulation of the financial markets under Presidents Clinton and Bush, with both parties in Congress being less than strident in oversight, being influenced unduly by either lobbyists or campaign contributions.

Resources for more in depth reading:

Senator Levin's press release highlighting specific findings of the investigation with recommendations for regulatory reform for oversight of Wall Street and investment banks.

The Levin - Coburn Report: Wall Street and the Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse

Matt Tiabbi's article in last week's Rolling Stone: The People vs. Goldman Sachs.

In 2008, Goldman-Sachs paid an effective tax rate of one percent, on profits of nearly 2.5 billion dollars

Matt Tiabbi on Anderson Cooper explaining Goldman-Sach's alleged securities fraud.

Senator Levin during an interview about his committee report with Elliott Spitzer, former New York Attorney General and Governor.


**EDIT***
Shortly after I posted this, the New York Times has reported that New York Attorney's General has requested information and documents in recent weeks from three major Wall Street banks about their mortgage securities operations during the credit boom, indicating the existence of a new investigation into practices that contributed to billions in mortgage losses.

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Date: 17/5/11 03:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
It's not an issue of less regulations versus more. It's an issue of enforcement versus non-enforcement.

It's not altogether different than street crime. More laws ain't going to clean up a neighborhood when there's enough laws out there to bag almost every crook.
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
The system was working as designed and intended. We've just entered the scapegoating round of the game.

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Date: 17/5/11 05:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Indeed. Amongst all the correlation/causation arguments that have been attempted to be made about this crisis you could throw in the stats in the article relating to criminal charges on Wall St. These guys were essentially told to go ahead and do whatever they want because no one is going to stop them.

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Date: 17/5/11 14:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raven-blue.livejournal.com
Perfectly said.

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Date: 17/5/11 19:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Odd as it sounds, I agree with Bogey. O.o

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Date: 17/5/11 06:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Did you mean AW HELL YEA.
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
Crooked politicians are shocked, shocked, to find that wicked people accepted the bribes and pork that the legislature was doling out of the treasury. The government built a fiat funny-money system predicated on the idea of everyone having their cake and eating it too and now they are flabberghasted to find that the banksters who sold them the ridiculous boondoggle have used it for the past century now for their own benefit! Imagine. The nerve of some people.

Let the witch trials commence! See, your trustworthy elected representatives were just as much taken advantage of as you were, Mr. and Mrs. America. They're nothing like those nasty, bad, banksters and financial flim-flam artists with whom they've been in bed for years. Trust them!
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Should these men go to jail, if a jury is convinced they lied to Congress in contravention of their oaths to tell the truth?

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Date: 17/5/11 03:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
A-1 quality post.

Would read again.

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Date: 17/5/11 06:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
Looking at these particulars — and more stuff from Tiabbi and other journalists — it is difficult to resist the conclusion that the executives at Goldman, Citibank, and other major financial institutions were literally psychopaths, neither capable of feeling concern over the effects of their actions on others nor of worrying about the consequences they would suffer if caught. Though I feel it would be just to lock these men away to rot in prison, I doubt that the threat of such punishments would deter such men. Rather, we need institutional checks to prevent such crimes from being possible to commit.

I would expect that to imply a bureaucracy of government oversight and regulation. I know many readers of this comm are skeptical of such mechanisms; I invite them to propose alternatives.

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Date: 17/5/11 06:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I don't know if I'd want to live in a country where old rich dudes couldn't make a few extra billion on top of their billions by sending the economy tits up and screwing over the populace!

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Date: 17/5/11 07:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] existentme.livejournal.com
I enjoyed this, very much. Thanks for it.

Do you presume the important thing is that we look forward, then, not back?

I don't, but I'm pretty sure that's what will happen.

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Date: 17/5/11 10:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
I'm sure Greece will be extremely happy (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/449338.html#cutid1) to know who they had been dealing with.
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Date: 17/5/11 13:47 (UTC)
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Remove all regulations. Thus they'll self-control themselves and become exemplary citizens.
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Date: 17/5/11 13:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bex.livejournal.com
Carl Levin is a class act*. Glad to have him in my state.

(Except for that NCLB business. Gross.)

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Date: 17/5/11 13:46 (UTC)

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Date: 17/5/11 14:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Thanks for this. I still think the testimony of the good folks from Moody's and S&P was highly problematic. They were plainly accomplices in the fraud by virtue of giving good ratings to paper that they already knew was trash.

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Date: 17/5/11 14:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
It should be noted that one of the traits that makes these men successful is just the right amount of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A much larger percentage of CEOs compared with the general population indicate this trait.

This isn't necessarily bad because it works and is useful. What that means though, is that they CANNOT be trusted to regulate themselves any more than chronic thieves and drug addicts.

A more effective approach would be to hit them where it hurts: charge them with racketeering and seize their personal property. This would send the message to their peers that they can be personally harmed.

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Date: 17/5/11 15:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raven-blue.livejournal.com
I would say the two places you find the greatest percentage of narcissism is in corporate Amercia and American politics. I would say Hollywood but of course that is only acting and the best actors are on Capitol Hill.

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Date: 17/5/11 15:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
It's good to know that anyone investing in Goldman is getting cheated out of 80 percent of their profits. If you pay 10 billion dollars in bonuses, and book a profit if 2.9 billion? Are you fucking kidding me? Who puts up with that shit?

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Date: 17/5/11 15:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
The secret to success in business is fooling people into paying you the most amount of money for the least amount of work.

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Date: 17/5/11 16:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Yes, the government has forgotten the first rule of self regulation. There has to be some method of punishing the bad actors.

Self regulation is generally a good thing but if you pair it with protection from negative consequences then you will get a rash of unethical and illegal behavior because there is no downside to it.

These guys should not only be in jail but they along with Goldman Sachs should also be facing pretty much open and shut civil suits by the people they defrauded that will take every penny they have and leave them in debt for life.

Actually holding people liable for the the harm they cause is a far more efficient regulatory system than anything the government could ever think of.

If we are not going to punish people like this then we had dam well better get to work on some real regulatory reform, and not that joke of a bill that the Democrats pushed through last year, something real with teeth. Otherwise this will just keep happening.

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Date: 18/5/11 00:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
You speak sense.

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Date: 17/5/11 19:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Is it a bad thing if I'm surprised these guys are even being considered for trial in the first place?

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Date: 17/5/11 21:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Much praise, and deserved -> [recommended]

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Date: 17/5/11 21:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
On the plus side, this is more than what the Democrats did when they investigated financial firms for their role in the economic meltdown.

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Date: 18/5/11 00:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Republican president and congress and it's the Dems fault... And isn't the guy getting upset with the regulator saying they didn't do enough? This seems all pretty selective memory stuff to me.

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Date: 17/5/11 22:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
when the moment comes to swear on a Bible, i suggest the holy book be substituted for the personal financial accounts of the applicable individual(s) on-stand.

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Date: 18/5/11 03:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
i'll only swear on the wall street journal.

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