[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Senator John Kyl (R-AZ) on the Senate Floor, explaining why it’s necessary to pass a bill defunding Planned Parenthood:

Everybody goes to clinics, to doctors, to hospitals, so on. Some people go to Planned Parenthood. But you don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and that’s well over 90% of what Planned Parenthood does.



Statement from John Kyl’s office later that day, after it’s revealed that, in fact, abortion comprises only 3% of what Planned Parenthood does:

His remark was not intended to be a factual statement, but rather to illustrate that Planned Parenthood, an organization that receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, does subsidize abortions.




So, the man stood up in the senate and, in the course of arguing for defunding Planned Parenthood, claimed that over 90% of what Planned Parenthood does is provide abortions.

This is untrue. No, not debatably untrue, not a matter of opinion. It’s simply flat-out untrue. Abortion comprises not “well over 90%” but 3% of what Planned Parenthood does. Kyl’s comment is objectively false, and obviously false to those of us who use and have used Planned Parenthood for pap smears, breast examinations, contraceptives, etc.

So, Kyl got called on this. Did he apologize and say “I had some bad information?” or simply “I was wrong?” No.

Instead, his office issued a statement obliquely defending that flat-out-lie, explaining that his remark “was not intended to be factual.”

“Oh, you thought I meant that abortion comprised over 90% of Planned Parenthood services when I said that abortion comprised over 90% of Planned Parenthood services? Why of course that’s not what I meant! I was just trying to explain in my own way that Planned Parenthood is bad. I never imagined that anyone would take that figure seriously!”

See, that “more than 90%” bit was just to give his statement a little more “oomph.” Saying “25%” would not have given it the needed boost. “50%?” An improvement, but not quite enough. 75%? Close, very close, but still… Now, 90% -- no, even better, well over 90% -- That’s cookin’ with gas!

I mean, come on, people, would Kyl’s comments have had the same power if he’d said, “If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and that’s well over 3% of what Planned Parenthood does?”

Of course it wouldn’t. In fact, including the actual figure would make the Republicans' attempt to defund Planned Parenthood look silly and vindictive.

So, naturally, Kyl couldn’t use it. He had to use some other figure, and his office is confident that, now that they've explained it, we'll all understand.

Do you?

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

PS: Just in case there is something unclear about this -- my premise is that lies are bad. John Kyl lied. He lied because the truth would not make him look good. And apparently, he considers that okay and expects the rest of us to consider it okay, because his "clarification" as read verbatim by CNN contains not one note of apology.

Is this level of lying now supposed to be normal and accepted from senators as they argue in favor of passing bills?

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Date: 9/4/11 15:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
You know the rules. You're required to add some comment/introduction/analysis/opinion/remarks of yours. The usual deadline is 1 hour.

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Date: 9/4/11 16:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Kyl. You'll issue a correction, I assume?

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Date: 9/4/11 16:09 (UTC)
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fuck he cares, he's not running for re-election anyhow

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Date: 9/4/11 16:15 (UTC)
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I'm really really, really, REALLY starting to hate these abortion talks. Not because you're wrong, not because they're not important, and not even because I'm currently pregnant; nothing like that. It's just that somehow they always tend to call the worst side of people and things soon devolve into a massive wank. I hate wank, massive or tiny. It's in cases like this that I see how otherwise completely reasonable and nice people could become real assholes. Sorry, it's not your fault or anyone who's raising the issue, because it's an important one.

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Date: 9/4/11 16:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I hate those talks too and promise to stop having them as soon as conservatives stop fucking around with abortion/gay marriage/women's health care. Which won't be anytime soon, based on evidence to date.

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Date: 9/4/11 16:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] musicpsych.livejournal.com
That's pathetic. What kind of a government can we have when this kind of thing happens? He's out of touch with reality.

I think his office should release another statement. The first one they released (to explain that his remark was not factual) implies that taxpayer money is used to subsidize abortions, when legally, PP can't use taxpayer money for abortions.

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Date: 9/4/11 17:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
So not only was it a unapologetic non-admission of lying, but it adds some misleading bits of its own? Lovely.

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Date: 9/4/11 18:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
That's pretty weak, though. I mean, presume that PP is going to do X Y and Z. We give them money for Y and Z. Money that would have been divided between the three is now able to be directed in larger proportion to X. Money's fungible.

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Date: 9/4/11 16:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Did you mention that they don't even subsidize abortion? Federal dollars can't be used for abortion; they charge you for them.

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Date: 9/4/11 16:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I'm sure he considers himself a Christian too - apparently bearing false witness is one of those Commandments he considers more of a suggestion.

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Date: 9/4/11 16:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reflaxion.livejournal.com
Republicans rape kittens.

The above remark was not intended to be a factual statement, but rather to illustrate that the GOP, a political party that receives millions of dollars in corporate funding, does support laws which may possibly have negative side effects.

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Date: 9/4/11 17:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whoasksfinds.livejournal.com
in other news...

democratic congresswoman claims a gov't shutdown is equivalent to bombing innocent civilians. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/Norton_Shutdown_the_functional_equivalent_of_bombing_innocent_civilians.html?showall)

nancy pelosi claims 6 million seniors will go without meals. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/nancy-pelosis-absurd-math-on-senior-citizens-losing-their-meals/2011/04/06/AFUf51rC_blog.html)

another democratic congresswomen claims newly elected GOP came go Washington to kill women (http://nation.foxnews.com/rep-louise-slaughter/2011/04/07/democrat-gop-freshmen-came-washington-kill-women).

Is this level of lying now supposed to be normal and accepted from senators as they argue in favor of passing bills?

as long as we keep electing the same idiots.

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Date: 9/4/11 18:00 (UTC)
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This is standard red meat for you to start a wank-a-thon over isn't it, paft?

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Date: 9/4/11 18:10 (UTC)
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well, Nevada, Arizona, and parts of Southern California have the highest rates of radioactivity, so what can we really expect from the progeny of these areas?

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Date: 9/4/11 18:19 (UTC)
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I'm counting on becoming a fleshy-headed mutant in that scenario.

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Date: 9/4/11 18:12 (UTC)
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Isn't the real issue not that politicians are lying dishonest sneaks (because if the challenge were to find ones that are not, you can look until you're blue in the face and never find them) but that this is an attack on the right of women to control their own sexuality masquerading as one of the many "deficit-busting" resolutions that are a sop to the fundamentalists?

I mean really, saying politicians are dishonest is like noting limburger cheese smells bad. It's true, and your point is? Especially when you factor in that this is the political party that's voted against puppies and apple pie.

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Date: 9/4/11 18:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
And isn't the bigger picture that this is part of a much bigger problem when the GOP kept raising the stakes after given everything they asked for and when not allowed to gut things after doubling their initial offers after concessions almost put their money where their mouth was? Cutting Planned Parenthood is bad. Doing so after asking for 32 billion dollars in cuts and getting 33, asking for 38 and getting 38, then deciding to raise it to 61 billion and exempting their pet projects but gutting Democrats is even worse. *That* is the elephant in the room Progressives are continuing to ignore while they chase the mice.

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Date: 9/4/11 21:06 (UTC)
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Just in case there is something unclear about this -- my premise is that lies are bad. John Kyl lied.

Politicians lie all the time - how is this suddenly worthy of an entire post? Obama's lied at least a dozen times or more in his time as President. Even in his time as Senator, he lied. So have people like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Bernie Sanders, John McCain...

Is there going to be a series of posts now on lying liars and the lies they tell? Can't wait!

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Date: 9/4/11 21:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Richard M. Nixon, George H.W. Bush (infamously in fact). For that matter, the honest politician is the one that's just been elected.

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How about three?

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Date: 10/4/11 08:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] headhouse.livejournal.com
I haven't read through the comments section yet, but I hope I'm not the first one to point out that a post by you condemning willful inaccuracy is irony of the highest level.

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Date: 10/4/11 14:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
The US gave up on facts some time in the mid 70s.

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Date: 10/4/11 16:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
About the same time that the major TV networks decided that their news departments needed to be profitable.

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Date: 11/4/11 19:56 (UTC)
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Is this level of lying now supposed to be normal and accepted from senators as they argue in favor of passing bills?

what's the normal level? i just assume everything coming out of congress is a lie, and i've never yet been disappointed.

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Date: 12/4/11 04:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
So, Kyl got called on this. Did he apologize and say “I had some bad information?” or simply “I was wrong?” No.

Oddly, he would have gained more respect if he'd done that. Alack..

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