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In a previous post, I commented on some of the problems facing public employee unions. It seems that some of the forces that normally shield public workers like teachers from public outrage may be fading in the face of deep state budget shortfalls and the perception of unionized state workers enjoying "cushy" benefits and work security lacked by other workers.

And now, some bloggers and media outlets are accusing the New York Sanitation Workers Union with negligent homicide.

You may have heard by now that substantial blizzard hit the New York Metropolitan area on Christmas weekend. The city normally has a good response to major snowfalls, but this time the clean up dragged on for days and by midweek after the storm, many streets in the outer borroughs were still unplowed. The accusation from the the NY Post and now by conservative bloggers is that unionized sanitation workers were ordered by their bosses to glitch up the cleaning efforts, leading to delays in emergency responses and at least two deaths, including a newborn baby who was pronounced dead after emergency workers could not arrive for nine hours.



...But is it true? The source for the accusation is a single city council member who claims that several santiation employees have anonymously confessed the plot to him. Now as time has progressed, there are now witnesses accusing some sanitation workers of being negligent on the job during the storm cleanup -- most notably a group of supervisors are under investigation for allegedly buying booze and partying in their car instead of working the plows.

Now is it plausible that sanitation workers wanted to stick it to Mayor Bloomberg? It certainly is -- the mayor has a rocky relationship with the unions for two reasons, one his fault and one a problem with public unions. First, the city has made serious cuts do to budget shortfalls and while cuts are necesary, the Bloomberg administration has steadfastly refused to consider raising taxes on the wealthiest New Yorkers, even while the rest of the city has had to endure an ongoing series of fee hikes for services like mass transit. Second, and more complex: the mayor is a multi-billionaire who has self-financed all three of his election campaigns. That means that unlike most politicians he doesn't owe anyone anything -- no union contributed to his campaigns, so unlike other politicians who have to "manage" workforces that helped get them elected, the mayor has no political favors owed to much of anyone.

Unsurprisingly, he is not beloved by union leaders or many rank and file. So -- in the wake of recent lay offs, it is entirely plausible to me that a number of workers did a poor job on purpose or even that some of them may have organized to do so.

The accusation, of course, is much bigger than that -- indicating something akin to a job action, and, of course, the bloggers are, deliberately it seems, ignoring a large number of complications --

First off -- witnesses in the areas worse hit. If a big job action WAS organized, it would stand to reason that people would have noted plows not at work or running with blades up (and yes, people were watching their streets like hawks...even those of us in neighborhoods that were ploughed in semi-reasonable order.)

Second, and more importantly -- There are a lot of complicating factors that piled up to make the city's response fall apart. The storm, while not at all historic, was ferocious with fast accumulations and huge wind driven drifting. The administration was, as the article shows, oddly slow to respond to the storm. It was 4p.m. on Sunday, 5 hours into the storm before the Mayor got on television and called for private equipment operators to report in and help. The MTA did not cut back on street and surface service, leaving buses stranded in streets making them unplowable. Car traffic was not warned off before the storm hit either. The city had the option to declare a snow emergency and did not do so.

Anecdotally, I, and most people I know, can confirm that the city seemed oddly unprepared on the day of the storm. Knowing we'd be snowed in the rest of the day, I took my daughter to the American Museum of Natural History an hour before snow started to fall -- not one of the streets, major or minor, had been sanded or salted, unlike last winter's storms. We came home when snow had been falling for two hours and there was still no sign of sanding trucks. At 6pm, I left our apartment to dig snow away from our car on the street -- the snow had been falling for 7 hours, and I could see little sign of anything being plowed yet except for Broadway. And I live in a neighborhood that got a "good" response.

The consensus among many of my family's friends? The city was betting on the low end of the forecast and waited too long to mobilize -- add in heavy drfiting snow, stranded traffic and mass transit, private contractors not on the job in time to do their normal load, pockets of sanitation workers goofing on the job, and you have the situation that killed that young woman's baby.

But that's not really what I want to talk about. Two days into the storm response, the complex story outlined in the NY Times article was available and apparent. Regardless of that, a sizeable force of conservative bloggers have concluded and run with the vague and anonymous accusations of infacticide leveled directly and the unionized sanitation workers and their bosses. Hopefully, the scheduled city council hearings next week will get to a real set of answers and, if there is strong evidence of deliberate negligence, criminal prosecutions. But the story of the story is that a large number of people, especially those who get their information primarily via blogging, have already become convinced that the union workers are at fault.

Forget the consumers of highly partisan information for the moment -- at some point, bloggers like Malkin or Breitbart have to KNOW that they are jumping the gun on a complicated story and they have to KNOW that they are not reporting a story so much as CREATING one for entirely partisan purposes -- for the partisan blogger news is not a service, but a means for influencing political outcomes.

How, precisely, do people like that, right wing or left wing, sleep at night?

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Date: 4/1/11 04:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Forget the consumers of highly partisan information for the moment -- at some point, bloggers like Malkin or Breitbart have to KNOW that they are jumping the gun on a complicated story and they have to KNOW that they are not reporting a story so much as CREATING one for entirely partisan purposes -- for the partisan blogger news is not a service, but a means for influencing political outcomes.

How, precisely, do people like that, right wing or left wing, sleep at night?


Wasn't it the New York Post that broke the story? I've been very hesitant to go into this story much without seeing more information on it, but I think that Breitbart in particular trusts his sources.

For what it's worth the New York government (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/02/new.york.snow/index.html?hpt=Sbin) finds it credible enough to at least look into, so...

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Date: 4/1/11 04:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
Wasn't it the New York Post that broke the story?

Yep. But other orgs also ran with it.

I think that Breitbart in particular trusts his sources

I think it's less a matter of if he trusts them, or if they're reliably sane (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008050030). I also don't exactly know if he cares if they're telling the truth or not, or giving an accurate portrayal of reality, anyway, see Pimp-Suit-O'Keefe and the whole ACORN idiocy.

For what it's worth the New York government finds it credible enough to at least look into, so...

they pretty much have to look into it, because if they don't they're accused of trying to bury the truth. at the same time, they're looking into the failures on the mayor's end, as well.

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Date: 4/1/11 12:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
If Media Matters considers them insane, I'm suddenly more confident in the story.

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Date: 4/1/11 20:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
Except they do the nice thing of citing the guy's own websites.

So feel free to not believe media matters' take on it, but it would still help to look at what the guy actually wrote.

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Date: 4/1/11 08:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
lol. yes, everyone knows that.

its cause they turn S -> $

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Date: 4/1/11 21:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
They must've fired all the hack editors they had in the 70's and also made a concerted effort to hire actual journalists over the last 40 years.

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Date: 5/1/11 18:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
And the Feds (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/01/04/2011-01-04_nyc_blizzard_feds_open_criminal_probe_into_alleged_city_worker_conspiracy_during.html).

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Date: 4/1/11 04:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Personally I am willing to wait until all the facts are in, and see what the reactions of the (in this case) right wing bloggers are if they are wrong.
It is painfully clear that too many people on both sides jump too quickly on the slightest rumor to mount their soap boxes. Sadly there rarely seems to be wide spread apologies after the fact.

As to your last question, I'm sure it must be rhetorical, as it is something I have often wondered, but given my own conscience (for want of a better term) it is something I have no answer for.

Just an addendum

Date: 4/1/11 04:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Great post-- but jthere's ust one thing to add: the nature of the holiday and how it fell (Christmas Eve on a Friday and Christmas on Saturday) and the storm's timing (it hit the following day) was horrible. Quite a few sanitation employees were off for the holiday, and as typical for large organizations, more than a few wait until the end the year to use all their accrued holiday time and vacation. Subway service was not fully restored to my part of Brooklyn until Wednesday late, that's the worst I've ever seen in my time here in this fine city.

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Date: 4/1/11 04:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
During the ice storm of 1998, when people and livestock were freezing with no electricity, unionized workers in the area of Ottawa, Canada refused to allow non-unionized workers or even the army help restore power. The union's position was that it was a matter of principle and the people stranded without power would just have to suck it up. The more cynical suggested they might be trying to stretch out the crisis to maximize their overtime windfall. I guess some people are just glass half empty types.
Anyway, unless someone wants to muzzle free speech, there will always be yahoos spouting off their theories, however unfounded or annoying they are. I don't think too many people take these accusations at face value.

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Date: 4/1/11 04:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Canada refused to allow non-unionized workers or even the army help restore power.

Factually not true.



With many roads impassable due to heavy snowfall or fallen trees, broken power lines and coated with a heavy layer of ice, emergency vehicles could hardly move. On January 7, the provinces of New Brunswick, Ontario, and Quebec requested aid from the Canadian Forces (CF), and Operation Recuperation began on January 8. Over 15,000 troops were deployed. It was the largest deployment of troops ever to serve on Canadian soil in response to a natural disaster, and the largest operational deployment of Canadian military personnel since the Korean War.

Source. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_ice_storm_of_1998)

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Date: 4/1/11 05:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Yeah but it sounded good while it lasted.

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Date: 4/1/11 19:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Actually no. Factually correct. However, I may not have been specific enough in my post, so here is some additional detail.

At the time, Kanata was a suburb of Ottawa, and its electrical utility (Kanata Hydro) was separate from those of the other municipalities in the Ottawa area and was non unionized.

"Kanata Mayor Merle Nicholds said she's been told the Power Workers' Union is refusing to work with the non-unionized Kanata Hydro workers.
While technicians from as far away as Windsor and New York State have been brought in to help Ontario Hydro, offers to throw Kanata Hydro's small, non-unionized force of 12 into the fray have been repeatedly turned aside by the provincial utility."
http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/icestorm/story.html?id=3b12c7ff-8ecd-4ac0-b7cc-aaf740271209

Regarding the army, it was called in for disaster relief. I was one of the soldiers on the ground in the area. While the army cleared roads, evacuated people and provided assistance in a variety of ways, the power workers refused to allow army electricians, surveyors and other specialists to help them repair the electrical grid. I heard this at the time on television during an interview with the army commander of the operation. I haven't been able to find a source.

The union eventually caved and allowed the Kanata Hydro workers to assist. This was after five days. I don't know if they ever allowed the army to help out with the electrical work.

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Date: 4/1/11 19:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I'm sorry but your original statement is still not true: Canada refused to allow non-unionized workers or even the army help restore power.

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Date: 4/1/11 20:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
They eventually relented on allowing the non-unionized workers to help out, but they did refuse them initially. The offer by the army to provide specialists to assist in restoring the power was also refused. True and true.

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Date: 4/1/11 20:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Not so much.

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Date: 4/1/11 04:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
That's the first I heard of it. Have any links about it so I can read more?

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Date: 4/1/11 19:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
This link points to a collection of articles related to the Ice Storm in the Ottawa Citizen, the local paper.
http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/icestorm/story.html?id=3b12c7ff-8ecd-4ac0-b7cc-aaf740271209
Here is a follow up article, after the restrictions on the non-union workers were lifted.
http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/features/icestorm/story.html?id=531ef703-bd07-4cc6-98d3-0e7e44d4d9dc

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Date: 4/1/11 20:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
I noticed the article shows they accepted help from three locations and "turned down" help from one. I use the airquotes because they said they had a communications error and never got the request. Was there a rejection letter that they sent to the non-accepted workers? Is it possible that, with the rush of things happening, the request was lost in the general flow of things happening?

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Date: 4/1/11 23:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Sure. It could have been a coincidence that the workers from the three unionized shops were accepted while the non-unionized workers weren't. Or, it could have been an off the cuff decision by some over zealous person who didn't represent the majority viewpoint, later corrected when it came to light. At the time, it looked bad, and as far as I know, the issue was quietly dropped shortly afterward.

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Date: 4/1/11 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
Did they ever look deeper into it, or is the "the union people aggressively restricted non union people" meme created by it kinda just a statement and not something fleshed out? I'm all for showing problems within unions, but I also prefer it to go beyond a generic claim.

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Date: 5/1/11 00:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
As far as I know, the issue was dropped as soon as the non-union crews from Kanata Hydro were accepted in the repair effort. I don't think it ever got a lot of airtime outside of the local area.

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Date: 4/1/11 06:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
And in eastern Ontario, conditions were little better. In Ottawa, the remains of dozens of devastated trees - many of them over 100 years old - littered the historic, upscale Glebe area. Newly elected Mayor Jim Watson, who jokingly called the ordeal his "baptism by ice," said he had ordered municipal employees to take every step possible to provide assistance, and worry about the cost later. "We can learn how to pay for it afterward," he said. "But there's no doubt it will be a huge expense." Other communities were equally hard hit. In neighboring Kanata, 20 km further up the Ottawa Valley, the fire department - made up of a mix of full-time members and volunteers - received six times its normal volume of calls, and all members were called in to work overtime. In Brockville, a municipality of 22,000 further south, trees, streets, fire hydrants and houses were buried beneath a centimetre-thick layer of slick ice, and all businesses closed. (http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0011472)

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Date: 4/1/11 04:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
I don't know, I'm just asking questions.

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Date: 4/1/11 05:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Do what the City of Calgary does and just wait for the next Chinook wind to blow in from California.

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Date: 4/1/11 06:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Don't you mean "Do what the City of Calgary does and LET EVERYONE DIE" ???? Huh? Isn't that what you mean? Huh? Huh?

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Date: 4/1/11 06:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
If and when firetrucks can't make it in through the snow covered roads the house(s) burn(s). (http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/12/05/12051791.html) If they die, well that's their own darn fault.

Re: Alcohol? Valium?

Date: 4/1/11 09:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
(also: Snowmaggedon (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-10-2010/unusually-large-snowstorm) )

/Puts on 1950s hat:

Date: 4/1/11 14:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I have here a list of 100 self-identified Communists in the New York Sanitary Department! A LIST I tell YOU!

/Takes off 1950s hat.

You do realize you're referring to Malkin, who's a dishonest person at best and Breitbart, who's a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up in the faces of conservative media? People like that sleep like babies at night.

If making money's involved:

Date: 4/1/11 14:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Knowledge of dishonesty is irrelevant. Certainly to Stalking Malkin, who wants the USA to revive FDR's Concentration Camps of the WWII era.
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
not merely for money, but for a shitload of money. The beliefs themselves need not have a shred of objective proof for money to be the ultimate motivation. IMHO also such people are more dangerous than the true believers who would do it for the belief *without* money.

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Date: 4/1/11 16:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
...who wants the USA to revive FDR's Concentration Camps of the WWII era.

Ooh, awkward.

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Date: 4/1/11 20:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
I told you Democrats were child-raping murderers.

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Date: 5/1/11 00:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com
You can tell plenty of things. Being able to make it more than the crazed fever-dreamed statement of a hyperpartisan flamethrower is the tricky part.

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