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talkpoliticsI imagine many people are confused by this sudden upswell of outrange against the Muslim cultural center that is being built near where the Twin Towers existed in New York.
I mean, people have known about it forever and nobody cared. It was on the front page of the New York Times so people had certainly heard about this project. It had unanimous support by the New York City community board. At the end of last year, the wife of the founder was on the Oreily Factor who's guest host at the time said she "Liked what they were trying to do", referring to the fact that the whole point of this center is to fight Islamic extremism.
In fact, really the only major opposition at the time was a certain blogger. One Pamela Geller. Nobody payed too much attention at the time though, because she constantly writes anti-Islam shpeels. Its sort of her MO-- far right-wing anti-Islamism. Nothing new for her to be calling it a monstrosity in the shadow of Islamic death and destruction, or a monument built on conquered land. Side by side with her claims that Malcom X was Obama's father, or that 'President Hussein is working to remove Hamas from the terrorist organization list' it doesn't seem that extraordinary for her to be frothing at the mouth.
Generally though, crazies are crazies and nobody pays them much attention.
So we jump forward just a month and suddenly her opinion is everywhere. How did that happen?
Well, Newscorp got ahold of it is what. Specifically, Geller teamed up with a certain 'Robert Spencer' who runs the blog 'Jihad Watch'. You can imagine his stance on the issues. His blog isn't quite so loony, but it's still all about covering any little bad thing he can find that might have been done by a Muslim. They start a group: "Stop Islamization of America".
From there, their little campaign gets wind of the Post. The Post writes some inflammatory articles and from there it suddenly jumps to all of Newscorp's media outlets. Presto, right-wingers everywhere repeat it.
So, the question is- why is it suddenly popular to be against it when Newscorp decides it should be? Everyone knew about it before, but nobody cared until Newscorp told them to care. That is where this came from. When Fox covered it positively nobody cared even though the information was exactly the same. When they told people it was bad, suddenly everyone believes in their heart of hearts that it is bad. You can find crazy anywhere, but isn't it troubling that one media company can whip people up so easily to fear whatever they say to fear?
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I mean, people have known about it forever and nobody cared. It was on the front page of the New York Times so people had certainly heard about this project. It had unanimous support by the New York City community board. At the end of last year, the wife of the founder was on the Oreily Factor who's guest host at the time said she "Liked what they were trying to do", referring to the fact that the whole point of this center is to fight Islamic extremism.
In fact, really the only major opposition at the time was a certain blogger. One Pamela Geller. Nobody payed too much attention at the time though, because she constantly writes anti-Islam shpeels. Its sort of her MO-- far right-wing anti-Islamism. Nothing new for her to be calling it a monstrosity in the shadow of Islamic death and destruction, or a monument built on conquered land. Side by side with her claims that Malcom X was Obama's father, or that 'President Hussein is working to remove Hamas from the terrorist organization list' it doesn't seem that extraordinary for her to be frothing at the mouth.
Generally though, crazies are crazies and nobody pays them much attention.
So we jump forward just a month and suddenly her opinion is everywhere. How did that happen?
Well, Newscorp got ahold of it is what. Specifically, Geller teamed up with a certain 'Robert Spencer' who runs the blog 'Jihad Watch'. You can imagine his stance on the issues. His blog isn't quite so loony, but it's still all about covering any little bad thing he can find that might have been done by a Muslim. They start a group: "Stop Islamization of America".
From there, their little campaign gets wind of the Post. The Post writes some inflammatory articles and from there it suddenly jumps to all of Newscorp's media outlets. Presto, right-wingers everywhere repeat it.
So, the question is- why is it suddenly popular to be against it when Newscorp decides it should be? Everyone knew about it before, but nobody cared until Newscorp told them to care. That is where this came from. When Fox covered it positively nobody cared even though the information was exactly the same. When they told people it was bad, suddenly everyone believes in their heart of hearts that it is bad. You can find crazy anywhere, but isn't it troubling that one media company can whip people up so easily to fear whatever they say to fear?
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Date: 21/8/10 20:28 (UTC)Somehow I doubt highly this would have happened if someone were to erect a Pentecostal megachurch on the same spot.
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Date: 21/8/10 20:42 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 20:44 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 20:55 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 21:38 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 21:44 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 22:10 (UTC)You really forget how small Fox's audience is in comparison to the rest of the news universe.
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Date: 21/8/10 22:27 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 22:33 (UTC)nitpick
Date: 21/8/10 21:57 (UTC)It's "spiels."
Re: nitpick
Date: 21/8/10 22:07 (UTC)Re: nitpick
Date: 22/8/10 12:35 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 21/8/10 23:33 (UTC)Sep 22, 2009 (ignore the date on the article, Google gives the date I'm using) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/26/new-york-mosque-muslim-community?CMP=twt_gu) - Community board votes to have the project go forward.
Dec 8, 2009 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html?pagewanted=all) - Only other article I can find from 2009. MSNBC seems to have a video story on it from Dec 4, but I can't get the link to it. Note that they expect a backlash and so are trying to keep it quiet. Also note that they are worshiping there and intending to do so, so whether you call it a mosque or a community center, that's the essential aspect of it.
May 13, 2010 (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mosque_madness_at_ground_zero_OQ34EB0MWS0lXuAnQau5uL) - People are starting to criticize it, especially the planned opening date of Sep. 11. Go figure.
May 25, 2010 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/ground-mosque-faces-obstacle/story?id=10738961) - Even more people opposing it. It's still in the planning stages and so it's not such a big deal, as it could still be denied.
Jun 6, 2010 (http://urbaninfidel.blogspot.com/2010/06/ground-zero-mosque-protest-new-york.html) - An actual protest against the mosque. This is well before your starting point of July, and not written by your supposed lone blogger.
Jul 14, 2010 (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Should-New-York-Forbid-Mosque-Near-Ground-Zero-4324) - Huh, looks like some politicians are jumping all over the issue as well as some other bigger name folks.
So, it looks like it's more of a failure of the media to report the story when it started rather than the work of a lone blogger and a conspiracy to incite people by Newscorp.
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Date: 22/8/10 00:07 (UTC)http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/no-mosque-at-ground-zero-protest-6-6-10-t5426.html
NY Post article from May 13 I noted. That was the first editorial, and she's bullshitting when she claims 'new yorkers say no'. She means a few new yorkers. You can find a few new yorkers that complain about *anything*.
Timeline still holds. You labeled a few of your links there incorrectly.
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Date: 22/8/10 00:24 (UTC)Ok, so her org helped organize the protest. That still puts it a month earlier than you claimed. And there's thousands of people showing up. Meaning it's not a lone blogger opposing it and everyone ignoring her until it gets onto Newscorp's radar. And you ignored the two articles from May where people were opposing it.
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Date: 22/8/10 00:36 (UTC)Also, i didn't say it was a month ago, the only time I mentioned time, I mentioned jumping forward a month from her post to being the time when Newscorp started going full steam on it, which was in July. So two months before that is the time when it wasn't picked up and it was just her and some crazies.
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Date: 22/8/10 05:23 (UTC)However, you mentioned only two issues with my links, neither of which were a labeling issue on my part. I described my links accurately.
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Date: 22/8/10 06:59 (UTC)And no you did not. If you claim an editorial that is full of BS is proof of anything more than an editorial full of BS, you are mischaracterizing it.
And a protest by said blogger's campaign.
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Date: 22/8/10 20:06 (UTC)And I posted a blog article about the protest. The blog article did not say who organized it, so neither did I. You posted a link to another article about that protest in order to give more information. Again, my description of my link was accurate.
NY Post and Faux News
Date: 21/8/10 23:55 (UTC)Re: NY Post and Faux News
Date: 23/8/10 03:15 (UTC)Re: NY Post and Faux News
Date: 23/8/10 23:12 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 22/8/10 22:38 (UTC)I'm just asking the question, you know, the way Fox News would if it was slightly more balanced. Lemme try again:
Is it possible that the ground-zero mosque could become a haven for right-wing extremism, and that, in that protected space, plots could be hatched for attacks similar to 9/11? I'm just asking...the way Newscorp asks.
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Date: 23/8/10 10:18 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 23/8/10 12:51 (UTC)Does Fox News have any credible evidence to suggest that the proposed community center will in fact become a hotbed of terrorist ideology? It's not even built yet, for gods sake.
My assertion is far more credible than that of Fox News.
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Date: 23/8/10 10:16 (UTC)