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http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1963

It's a long comic, so I'm not going to inline it, you can click on the link.

What do you think of the proposal if it was serious? I think it wouldn't work with a dog, but do you think there's something that you could substitute that would work? Is out of the box thinking like that better or worse than plodding along the way we've always done it?

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Date: 8/8/10 20:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
One obvious solution nobody's bold enough to mention is simply to end the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. We've forged a military victory in Iraq but have a snowball's chance in Hell of a political victory happening there. In Afghanistan the Taliban are fighting a war of 2010 against our army fighting one of 2007. End the wars and the endless spending on 50 million dollar missiles blowing up sheepherder tents and lo and behold massive moolah's just been freed up.

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Date: 8/8/10 22:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dartmouth05.livejournal.com
Massive fraud as a basis to solve the national debt seems like a non-starter.

Underlankers seems to have the right of it. End the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and start dialing back military funding to a sane level and use the money to scale down the debt instead.

The top ten countries in the world in terms of military expenditure and the amount they spent in 2009, in dollars:
1. United States: $663,225,000,000
2. China: 98,800,000,000
3. United Kingdom: 69,271,000,000
4. France: $67,316,000,000
5. Russian Federation: 61,000,000,000
6. Germany: 48,022,000,000
7. Japan: 46,859,000,000
8. Saudi Arabia: 39,257,000,000
9. Italy: 37,427,000,000
10. India: 36,600,000,000

I'm not suggesting the United States should pare it's military budget down to the level of India, nor am I even suggesting we match China's 98.8 billion dollar budget. But instead of outspending the next country on the list, China, by $564,455,000,000, how about we cut military expenditures to 400 billion dollars a year? We'd still be spending four times as much on our military than China does on there's while saving 263.3 billion dollars a year.

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Date: 8/8/10 22:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Keep in mind that quantity =/= quality, in a sense that the amounts being spent don't automatically bring efficiency and military superiority (because that's ultimately the goal, right?)

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Date: 8/8/10 22:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sgiffy.livejournal.com
Though some of that stems from the fact that we subsidies our industries through military spending while others do it outright.

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Date: 8/8/10 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dartmouth05.livejournal.com
Perhaps. But at least bringing this up for discussion might illuminate the hypocritical position some take, arguing against any sort of stimulus dollars but also arguing against any sort of cuts to military spending, ignoring that economic stimulus to certain sectors of the economy is done through the military-industrial complex.

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Date: 8/8/10 23:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Run that again as a % of GDP, factor out the amount we spend so the EU can live with a largely disarmed Germany and Asia with a pacifist Japan, and get back to me.

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Date: 8/8/10 23:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dartmouth05.livejournal.com
What, no please?

And yes, we spend a fair amount of money for a largely disarmed Germany and Japan. That's another aspect of military expenditures we should consider cutting.
Edited Date: 8/8/10 23:39 (UTC)

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Date: 9/8/10 14:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
According to the World Fact Book the US spends a smidge over 4% of GDP on the military. Considering what we, and the world, get for that money, it's a bargain.

It isn't the money we spend that is the problem, it is the money the EU countries don't spend. It distorts the statistics.

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Date: 9/8/10 14:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dartmouth05.livejournal.com
Well, yes. They don't spend because WE do. The concept of the US standing down to make others stand up shouldn't just be limited to Iraq and Iran.

That reminds me...

Date: 8/8/10 22:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I'll never forget when this magazine (http://resound.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/13/7.jpg) hit the news stands. The cartoon reminded me of it.

The issue of the deficit calls to mind the good old days when Republicans were getting their knickers in a twist because of a budget surplus.

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Date: 8/8/10 22:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/aviation_/
End the war in Iraq.
End the war in Afganistan.
Bring US troops home from the WTF places they are like Germany.
End the war in US against drugs.
Release al drug and victimless crime offenders from jail and prison.

Sounds like a much better and more ethical solution than bribing wealthy people to save a puppy that has nothing to do with the government's financial trouble. Dogs are euthanized everyday in shelters so that douchebags can make some other douchegab rich by buying designer puppies.

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Date: 8/8/10 23:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
The cartoon assumes that the money would go to reducing the debt. Which makes it a very funny cartoon.

LOL. The $100 trillion and a similar amount again would flow like a river out of DC to various political interest groups, misc. do goodery and general waste.

It is the American way.

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Date: 9/8/10 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
Issues about government spending and the deficit are no longer within the realm of facts and logic.

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