[identity profile] hey-its-michael.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
With the district in a financial crisis and hundreds facing layoffs, the Milwaukee teachers union is taking a peculiar stand: fighting to get its taxpayer-funded Viagra back.

The union has asked a judge to order the school board to again include Pfizer Inc.'s erectile dysfunction drug and similar pills in its health insurance plans.

The filing is the latest in a two-year legal campaign in which the union has argued, so far unsuccessfully, that the board's policy of excluding erectile dysfunction drugs discriminates against male employees. The union says Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and others are necessary treatment for "an exclusively gender-related condition."

But lawyers for the school board say the drugs were excluded in 2005 to save money, and there is no discrimination because they are used primarily for recreational sex and not out of medical necessity.


The filing last month comes as the union, the Milwaukee Teachers' Education Association, is also protesting hundreds of layoff notices issued to teachers for the coming school year. Citing a "financial crisis" caused by exploding benefit costs and revenue shortfalls, the district's outgoing superintendent proposed laying off 682 employees in April.

The district gave layoff notices to 482 teachers in June, but recalled 89 of them last month. Additional teachers may be called back, but these are still the first layoffs of Milwaukee teachers in decades.

Cost of Viagra would pay for 12 teacher's jobs
At least one lawmaker questioned why the union is fighting for Viagra while teachers are losing their jobs. A consultant for the school board has estimated that reinstating the drug benefit would cost $786,000 per year — the cost to keep perhaps a dozen first-year teachers employed.

State Rep. Jason Fields argues that the money could be better spent any number of ways — including saving jobs.

"You've got to be kidding me," said Fields, a Milwaukee Democrat. "The fact that is the point of contention is kind of frightening. What are our priorities? I'm all for love and peace. But almost 1 million dollars? And you go to court over this issue?"

Union spokeswoman Kris Collett declined comment. But its lawyer Barbara Quindel said the case was worth fighting despite the district's grim finances. Quindel said erectile dysfunction is associated with heart disease, prostate cancer and other conditions, and the drugs are approved by the Food and Drug Administration and recommended by the American Urological Association.

"MTEA believes that men should not be discriminated against in receiving treatment for their medical conditions," she said.

The union has argued the costs are tiny compared to the $1.3 billion annual budget. But the school board says they are "particularly burdensome" when it is under pressure to reduce benefit costs.

That the pills — which can cost $20 apiece without insurance — were included in the first place is somewhat unusual. Health insurer Aetna Inc., which provides one of the district's two plans, says its standard pharmacy plans exclude Viagra and other "drugs for lifestyle enhancement or performance."

Basic state employee health plans also generally don't cover those drugs, but more expensive premium plans might, said Dick Cauchi, who tracks health benefits at the National Conference of State Legislatures. Lisa Soronen, National School Boards Association senior staff attorney, also said she had never heard of a similar case or an example of a union negotiating coverage for erectile dysfunction drugs.

"If you are getting down to what drugs are covered, you are really getting in the weeds," she said, explaining most negotiations are over premiums and co-payments.

Board and union negotiators reached a deal in 2002 to cover six tablets per month for erectile dysfunction drugs in health plans that insure 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees. They quickly became popular.

By 2004, the number of claimants receiving prescriptions skyrocketed to more than 1,000 per year, costing the district $207,000. During negotiations in 2005, the board proposed eliminating the benefit and an arbitrator adopted the plan.

Sex discrimination complaint
The union in 2008 filed a sex discrimination complaint with the state. In June, the Labor and Industry Review Commission ruled the union couldn't pursue the case without identifying employees who have been injured by the policy and the complaint was filed after the statute of limitations expired.

The union is asking a Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to overturn that decision and declare the policy violates the Wisconsin Fair Employment Act. A ruling isn't expected for months.

Teachers hope new jobs bill keeps them employed

Viagra is usually on the other side in discrimination cases. In recent years, several lawsuits have claimed that employer health plans discriminate against women when they cover Viagra but not contraceptives or infertility treatment.

But the Milwaukee union says males are treated unfairly here. In one brief, its lawyers argued that vaginal cream, anti-bacterial medicine and estrogen replacement medication for female sexual dysfunction are covered. Other options such as penile pumps and implants included in the plans "are far less desirable than oral medication," the filing said.

District spokesman Philip Harris said school officials won't comment because "we just want to leave it alone." But Miriam Horwitz, an attorney representing the board, argued in court filings the drugs weren't necessary to treat life-threatening disease or have children.


Source

I am all for health care for everyone. However, I am also a utilitarian, and sometimes reality requires certain limitations, such as not paying for a drug like viagra when there is little money to afford the teachers themselves. I like sex as much as the average person, but I have trouble having that much sympathy for these guys given the current economic situation facing the nation (and school districts everywhere).
(deleted comment)

You're making me think...

Date: 6/8/10 21:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verytwistedmind.livejournal.com
This matters, since women generally have a higher healthcare cost, and teaching is dominated by women.

That's a good point but then explain

A consultant for the school board has estimated that reinstating the drug benefit would cost $786,000 per year

In the article I posted below it says the at the pill costs $20. That's 39,300 pills. I wonder how many male teachers are using those pills. That seems like a lot.
(deleted comment)

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygrii-blop.livejournal.com
In many health plans, women use the doctor more, and have higher costs. There's nothing wrong with that (I don't think it should be tit for tat).

Oh, you!

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
It should be tats for tits though...

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 23:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] existentme.livejournal.com
"...how a teacher that far in..."

Tell me that wasn't purposeful, mkay?

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 23:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
What's the point of teaching little kids if you can't get it up?

Old story that was similar

Date: 6/8/10 21:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verytwistedmind.livejournal.com
Lifestyle drugs -- chiefly Viagra -- are costing General Motors $17 million dollars a year and the cost is passed along to car, truck and SUV consumers. The blue pill is covered under GM's labor agreement with United Auto Workers, as well as benefit plans for salaried employees

Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/04/gm_viagra.html#ixzz0vrhCAiNr

I should do a study that compares the failing company (or government institution) and how much they spend on hardon pills

Re: Old story that was similar

Date: 6/8/10 22:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygrii-blop.livejournal.com
I don't see anything wrong with it. As long as consumer are happy to pay for the hardon pills, then what's the problem? That's the golden hand of the invisible market at work.

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enasisabitch.livejournal.com
wouldn't this be covered by their prescription coverage in their health care? they can pay for their own viagra, target has 4 dollar generic prescriptions..problem solved.
(deleted comment)

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enasisabitch.livejournal.com
I'm not sure but there are other options. i've been paying for my own prescriptions for a few years and it just takes telling the pharmacist "can you compare the price with costco's or wal mart" and you get the better price.

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
Viagra won't have generic competition for years. About another decade IIRC.

Of course that doesn't hold for people selling "generic" drugs in other countries that don't follow our drug laws or respect US patents.

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
They should go generic, I'm thinking that would at least cut the 786k in half.

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reflaxion.livejournal.com
But think of the horny teachers!!

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
Chris Hanson already is.

(no subject)

Date: 6/8/10 22:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
This is what happens when you spend other people's money.

The same people who revolt when you tell them they'll have to pay for their own recreational sex because apparently it's not worth $20 a pill suddenly decide that $20 a pill is a great bargain for the district to pick up as a legitimate medical expense.

Is dinner and a movie also going to be covered? :P

random fun

Date: 6/8/10 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
"In Pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name. For example, the trade name of Tylenol also has a generic name of Acetaminophen. Aleve is also called Naproxen. Amoxil is also call Amoxicillin and Advil is also called Ibuprofen.
The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.

Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one. Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of "cocktails", "highballs" and just a good old-fashioned "stiff drink". Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of MOUNT & DO. "


Sorry for not giving a comment of substance, but laughs are appreciated, right?

Re: random fun

Date: 7/8/10 00:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
jeesh, at least my comment was remotely related to the OP

Re: random fun

Date: 7/8/10 00:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I've been waiting for an excuse to post those for three days.

Re: random fun

Date: 7/8/10 01:34 (UTC)
ext_363435: (Default)
From: [identity profile] rogerdr.livejournal.com
Methinks the Captain's gonna be jealous...

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/10 03:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cory-nickolatos.livejournal.com
Knowing all the shit women have to go though for their reproductive health, seeing this kind of story pisses me off.

More suggestive animated gifs, kthxplz.

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/10 04:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ccr1138.livejournal.com
Forget discrimination against MEN. Who do you think REALLY suffers if the guys can't perform? :-)

(no subject)

Date: 8/8/10 04:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
At least someone is thinking of the children.

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/10 06:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/-wanderer-/
It's tough: I think viagra is legitimate (or at least as legitimate as anti-depressants, which I assume are covered in their plan). But it is a lot of money.

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/10 12:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Why spend $20 bucks on a pill when you can get better results with a $5 bud?


(and no, I don't mean Budweiser)

(no subject)

Date: 7/8/10 15:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drcruel.livejournal.com
Sex is a basic human need. We can give them viagra or antidepressants.

Besides, teachers need to get laid regularly for stress relief. I am 100% positive that the reason my teachers were all so crabby is because they weren't getting enough sex.

Either that or we could station a fluff girl in the teacher's lounge so that they're all prepared on the drive home. Might be more efficient that way.

Credits & Style Info

Monthly topic:
Post-Truth Politics Revisited

Dailyquote:
"The NATO charter clearly says that any attack on a NATO member shall be treated, by all members, as an attack against all. So that means that, if we attack Greenland, we'll be obligated to go to war against ... ourselves! Gee, that's scary. You really don't want to go to war with the United States. They're insane!"

May 2026

M T W T F S S
     1 23
4567 8910
11 121314 1516 17
1819 2021222324
25262728293031