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If you haven't heard, New York was under attack by an idiot. As opposed to past idiots, this idiot happens to not only be brown and born in Pakistan, but is also an American citizen. This last bit introduces hoops that our proud lawmakers must jump through to maintain their integrity on terrorism:
Apparently he thinks domestic terrorist organizations should get a free pass.
So, aren't these the guys who keep harping on restricting the amount of power the federal government has over its citizens? They've previously tried to claim these powers only over unlawful combatants, but if they can invent a charge that lets them revoke someone's citizenship at the drop of a hat... the slope these men walk along is mighty slippery.
“Obviously that would be a serious mistake until all the information is gathered,” John McCain said when asked whether the suspect, Faisal Shahzad, should have been Mirandized.
“What I was talking about was that we don’t have to Mirandize someone immediately. You don’t – before you charge them, there’s time that elapses,” McCain later clarified to POLITICO.
“I hope that [Attorney General Eric] Holder did discuss this with the intelligence community. If they believe they got enough from him, how much more should they get? Did they Mirandize him? I know he’s an American citizen but still,” Peter King (R-NY) told POLITICO.
Joe Lieberman has another idea: "I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act."
Apparently he thinks domestic terrorist organizations should get a free pass.
So, aren't these the guys who keep harping on restricting the amount of power the federal government has over its citizens? They've previously tried to claim these powers only over unlawful combatants, but if they can invent a charge that lets them revoke someone's citizenship at the drop of a hat... the slope these men walk along is mighty slippery.
You are right.
Date: 5/5/10 00:50 (UTC)2) There shouldn't be any persons deprived of their rights, no matter citizenship or not.
3) Question is how he got his citizenship, was it legal or not.
I agree with you: Reps and Dems too often just plays same game.
But I still think that Dems still worse than Reps in this matter.
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Date: 5/5/10 01:21 (UTC)I take some joy in that a lot of the usuals had to erase their entire planned screed on Tea Party protesters being ultimately responsible for it.
The guy just got naturalized last year. It's not as if we're talking just stripping people of their citizenship at whim. I have heard that removal of citizenship of naturalized Americans isn't a new concept.
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Date: 5/5/10 02:25 (UTC)That so many seem to be chomping at the bit to make it mean that they apply not simply just to citizens as they once held, but now only to a designated subset of citizens shows once again how cheap politicians really estimate human liberties and their protections to be worth.
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Date: 5/5/10 02:49 (UTC)Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the terrorist- but this sets a dangerous precedent that I'd gladly keep out of the hands of politicians/bureaucrat who are on "my side", if it means keeping it out of the hands of those who aren't.
Re: You are right.
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Date: 5/5/10 03:24 (UTC)After conviction in a court, and due process, and all those quaint ideas that Republicans don't believe in anymore.
They can't just remove his citizenship because they think he committed a crime.
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Date: 5/5/10 03:29 (UTC)Yes, let's just get rid of due process. To hell with the trial. Let's deprive US citizens (and that appears to include natural born citizens in addition to naturalized) just on the say so of the cops.
Apparently he thinks domestic terrorist organizations should get a free pass.
Silly, domestic terrorists never threatened Israel.