I get asked all the time, if my signature on the back of the card is faded or hard to read...
Then you re-sign it in front of them.
...I have been outright refused sale for failing to produce my ID at least twice...
They have just violated their merchant agreement (http://consumerist.com/2008/02/apple-demands-id-with-credit-card-purchases-violates-merchant-agreement.html). Report them to your credit card company.
...there are literally so many situations where we might be asked to produce the proper "papers" already.
Thank you for contributing to the slippery slope. They require ID for all this other stuff, it shouldn't be a problem for them to require ID when I'm walking down the street, right? After they've checked it once, they should be able to check it again 20 feet down the road, right? I might have forgotten which card I showed them and slip up the second time!
They need reasonable suspicion, which legally means they would need some kind of arguable fact or circumstance to support it, not just a hunch.
The point of all the protest against this law is that the only legal directive given in the bill is "go by a hunch". What does this law do that probable cause laws already in place don't do? Nothing, except discriminate against brown people.
The law is not demanding that they hunt for and seek out illegals, like an immigration officer.
The law says citizens can sue their police department if they don't like the extent to which the police are cracking down. That is exactly what the law is demanding.
What this law does is say that if they have reasonable suspicion to suspect someone they encounter is breaking the law by being here illegally, they must ask.
Police are not immigration officers. If you pick up a suspect for an unrelated crime, and you find or suspect they are not here legally, you call INS.
The law also states that a valid AZ drivers license, and many other common forms of legally issued ID would be sufficient enough proof.
And if you are a legal citizen and a police officer asks for your papers and you don't have them, that's a six month sentence.
Now governors in other states (such as Texas) are looking at that and thinking gee look at that.....
Gee, that's a great unconstitutional law, let's try it too!
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Date: 29/4/10 14:43 (UTC)Then you re-sign it in front of them.
...I have been outright refused sale for failing to produce my ID at least twice...
They have just violated their merchant agreement (http://consumerist.com/2008/02/apple-demands-id-with-credit-card-purchases-violates-merchant-agreement.html). Report them to your credit card company.
...there are literally so many situations where we might be asked to produce the proper "papers" already.
Thank you for contributing to the slippery slope. They require ID for all this other stuff, it shouldn't be a problem for them to require ID when I'm walking down the street, right? After they've checked it once, they should be able to check it again 20 feet down the road, right? I might have forgotten which card I showed them and slip up the second time!
They need reasonable suspicion, which legally means they would need some kind of arguable fact or circumstance to support it, not just a hunch.
The point of all the protest against this law is that the only legal directive given in the bill is "go by a hunch". What does this law do that probable cause laws already in place don't do? Nothing, except discriminate against brown people.
The law is not demanding that they hunt for and seek out illegals, like an immigration officer.
The law says citizens can sue their police department if they don't like the extent to which the police are cracking down. That is exactly what the law is demanding.
What this law does is say that if they have reasonable suspicion to suspect someone they encounter is breaking the law by being here illegally, they must ask.
Police are not immigration officers. If you pick up a suspect for an unrelated crime, and you find or suspect they are not here legally, you call INS.
The law also states that a valid AZ drivers license, and many other common forms of legally issued ID would be sufficient enough proof.
And if you are a legal citizen and a police officer asks for your papers and you don't have them, that's a six month sentence.
Now governors in other states (such as Texas) are looking at that and thinking gee look at that.....
Gee, that's a great unconstitutional law, let's try it too!