pft: And since you want to bring the discussion back to the Oath Keepers, why did you claim that Newsweek article had compared them to Tim McVeigh when it hadn't? mvl: It did: "Law-enforcement experts worry more about "lone wolves," disturbed loners with military training, like Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, than they do about loudmouth militia groups. But the feds and local authorities will be watching closely on April 19, when the Oath Keepers mark their first anniversary and join a Second Amendment March on Washington to celebrate the right to bear arms."
LOL! If it's a "comparison" then it's one in which the writers highlight the difference between McVeigh and the Oath Keepers. Why would that offend you?
mvl: It's not hard to see that the person writing this article is conveying that because Timothy McVeigh was trained in the military (like the majority of Oath Keepers), they're like him.
Actually, the writer's point is that they are NOT like McVeigh in that McVeigh was a "disturbed loner" and therefore considered more of a risk.
You're really straining at gnats here.
mVL: I just choose not to shed a single, solitary tear for one of our enemies. Clearly, he was in a prison for a reason.
The taxi driver in the article? What reason was that? Did it justify what they did to him? Or would NOT killing him in so horrible a manner have qualified as "coddling" him?
MVL: Meanwhile, people like you piss and moan about "inhumane treatment" against those who violently oppose STANDARD HUMAN RIGHTS.
Yes, I do object to inhumane treatment, even when it's inflicted on people who violate human rights. I would never advocate that the American soldiers who mistreated Dilawar so badly be themselves tortured or abused.
MVL: For example, that women have value as human beings in their own right, not in relation to their husband or their father. To this day, in downtown Kuwait, Baghdad, wherever, women can be murdered by their husband or their father for something that no one in the U.S. gives two shits about. They call it an "honor killing".
And you figure this justifies torturing Iraqi prisoners?
MVL: Were you bitching about that before Bush invaded Iraq? If so, PROVE IT,
Exactly what would you accept as proof? For the record, yes, like many other American women, I was objecting to the treatment (or rather, mistreatment) of women in the Middle East back when you were still in diapers. I objected to not only honor killings, but female circumcision, child brides, the dowry murders in India, etc.
And by the way, here's an uncomfortable fact about Iraq under Hussein. As rotten as he was, women in Iraq actually enjoyed MORE freedom than did women in other Middle Eastern countries. They were unveiled, educated, and worked in professions closed to women elsewhere in the Middle East. Honor killings happened, but not as frequently in other places.
That changed after the invasion -- and not for the better.
MVL: I'm getting pretty sick and tired of your bullshit, strawman argument that I'm "cheering on torture" because I don't spend my days weeping about it!
Tough cheese. Equate NOT torturing someone with coddling them and you get called on it.
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Date: 22/4/10 05:52 (UTC)mvl: It did: "Law-enforcement experts worry more about "lone wolves," disturbed loners with military training, like Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, than they do about loudmouth militia groups. But the feds and local authorities will be watching closely on April 19, when the Oath Keepers mark their first anniversary and join a Second Amendment March on Washington to celebrate the right to bear arms."
LOL! If it's a "comparison" then it's one in which the writers highlight the difference between McVeigh and the Oath Keepers. Why would that offend you?
mvl: It's not hard to see that the person writing this article is conveying that because Timothy McVeigh was trained in the military (like the majority of Oath Keepers), they're like him.
Actually, the writer's point is that they are NOT like McVeigh in that McVeigh was a "disturbed loner" and therefore considered more of a risk.
You're really straining at gnats here.
mVL: I just choose not to shed a single, solitary tear for one of our enemies. Clearly, he was in a prison for a reason.
The taxi driver in the article? What reason was that? Did it justify what they did to him? Or would NOT killing him in so horrible a manner have qualified as "coddling" him?
MVL: Meanwhile, people like you piss and moan about "inhumane treatment" against those who violently oppose STANDARD HUMAN RIGHTS.
Yes, I do object to inhumane treatment, even when it's inflicted on people who violate human rights. I would never advocate that the American soldiers who mistreated Dilawar so badly be themselves tortured or abused.
MVL: For example, that women have value as human beings in their own right, not in relation to their husband or their father. To this day, in downtown Kuwait, Baghdad, wherever, women can be murdered by their husband or their father for something that no one in the U.S. gives two shits about. They call it an "honor killing".
And you figure this justifies torturing Iraqi prisoners?
MVL: Were you bitching about that before Bush invaded Iraq? If so, PROVE IT,
Exactly what would you accept as proof? For the record, yes, like many other American women, I was objecting to the treatment (or rather, mistreatment) of women in the Middle East back when you were still in diapers. I objected to not only honor killings, but female circumcision, child brides, the dowry murders in India, etc.
And by the way, here's an uncomfortable fact about Iraq under Hussein. As rotten as he was, women in Iraq actually enjoyed MORE freedom than did women in other Middle Eastern countries. They were unveiled, educated, and worked in professions closed to women elsewhere in the Middle East. Honor killings happened, but not as frequently in other places.
That changed after the invasion -- and not for the better.
MVL: I'm getting pretty sick and tired of your bullshit, strawman argument that I'm "cheering on torture" because I don't spend my days weeping about it!
Tough cheese. Equate NOT torturing someone with coddling them and you get called on it.