You accused me of believing in a "Christ-less salvation?"
Maybe I'm misreading you, but many of you posts have been along the lines of "you and evangelicals like you don't do Christianity correctly becuase you don't place enough emphasis on the crucifixion-- " You went so far as to call any comments I do make on the matter "lip-service" which is, frankly, really insulting.
Just stop and think about what it like to have something that is a central part of your faith called "lip-service" ?
Your whole tone has been like "there are a bunch of idiots like futurebird in evangelical churches and aren't they so awful!"
You are right that not everyone is an expert on religion and many think they can pick-and choose religious philosophy like they are customizing their ipod or something-- but, that kind of superficial faith is by no means limited to or even representative of evangelicals! In fact, to get back to the point of this post... what about the Catholics who think the Death penalty is fine? Or those who see nothing wrong with abortion?
Also, part of the problem is that you are using a lot of jargon that I'm unfamiliar with and, I'm still learning how to talk about religion so I have made poor word choices. And I value your criticisms that have been about making key concepts more precise. I o want to listen to what you have to say and consider it... but... you are bad at communicating with and understating laypersons when they talk about religion. You have been plopping down straw men left and right-- as if you knew what I'm talking about... but you don't. It's almost like you are just ignoring what I'm saying and having a conversation with someone else...
So, I don't think you are going to be any good at understating what is going and what is important in evangelical churches like the one I am a member of.
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Date: 10/3/10 05:02 (UTC)Maybe I'm misreading you, but many of you posts have been along the lines of "you and evangelicals like you don't do Christianity correctly becuase you don't place enough emphasis on the crucifixion-- " You went so far as to call any comments I do make on the matter "lip-service" which is, frankly, really insulting.
Just stop and think about what it like to have something that is a central part of your faith called "lip-service" ?
Your whole tone has been like "there are a bunch of idiots like futurebird in evangelical churches and aren't they so awful!"
You are right that not everyone is an expert on religion and many think they can pick-and choose religious philosophy like they are customizing their ipod or something-- but, that kind of superficial faith is by no means limited to or even representative of evangelicals! In fact, to get back to the point of this post... what about the Catholics who think the Death penalty is fine? Or those who see nothing wrong with abortion?
Also, part of the problem is that you are using a lot of jargon that I'm unfamiliar with and, I'm still learning how to talk about religion so I have made poor word choices. And I value your criticisms that have been about making key concepts more precise. I o want to listen to what you have to say and consider it... but... you are bad at communicating with and understating laypersons when they talk about religion. You have been plopping down straw men left and right-- as if you knew what I'm talking about... but you don't. It's almost like you are just ignoring what I'm saying and having a conversation with someone else...
So, I don't think you are going to be any good at understating what is going and what is important in evangelical churches like the one I am a member of.